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Offline Hertsman

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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #30 on: 03 November 2021, 10:24 »
As have no drive admit to not even considering an outright EV though think Hybrids such as an E-Pace are pretty incentive laden also.

Wife really likes the E-Pace, whereas I am pretty meh, and thats not a feeling that want walking up to and then driving, but said would go and have a look as may surprise me.

The lease company insist you have at least a week trial with an EV before ordering which leads you to think they may have had issues from those who have ordered but have ultimately found them limiting.

Personally not opposed to EV at all, just want it to charge as quick as a refuel, have similar 300 mile range, and look and drive like a performance car. 

The problem is, you do not get access to the ordering system until its time, and also, from experience the ordering system is not as logical as you would think, with some cars being cheaper to lease than expected and vice versa. The BIK aspect is easier to work out as the lesser the C02 the less you pay.

Like most things its about balance, i have always been willing to spend money on the pleasurable but you have to have a ceiling to that spend and thats where am at this change, its feeling the hardest one for many years to get right

Think the other aspect of EV that was mentioned here is there is not that much out there that appeals when you consider my preference has always been warm to hot hatches in size and performance.

Having done some more research on the M135i it seems a lot more achievable than thought so it will get a proper look. 

As stated above, will not really know what is in my sweet spot of acceptable cost until get access to the ordering system but do want to go in with a shortlist so all comments have been useful in challenging my preconceptions and opening eyes to options not really had in the frame. 
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #31 on: 03 November 2021, 10:58 »
Yes, I remember the fun of company car leasing and you are right about the costs being so illogical that you can't predict them.

The newest Bev's like the i5 or ev6 have this new rapid charge thing that gives you a sizeable charge in about twelve minutes. It's getting there... Of course that is dependent on finding a suitable charger, which is by no means a given.

I'll probably buy an ev next year to use as a runabout, not caring about charging away from home or going long distances.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #32 on: 04 November 2021, 06:13 »
I finally have managed to book a test drive in a Mini Electric for tomorrow  :laugh:

Great news! I’ll be really interested to hear what you think of it. Maybe it needs its own thread elsewhere on the forum.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #33 on: 05 November 2021, 09:45 »
Check out the M135i Hertsman.
The seats are better and the ride at least as comfortable.
It’s a fun drive as it feels more FWD than AWD and similar to the 128 the engine is a high torque output unit that goes well with the proper automatic that has better judged change points than DSG when you’re not driving flat out.
The interior is in a different league and the shell feels better braced making it feel quite luxurious for such a lively thing.
My only demerit is the steering feels a bit too sharp after many years of VW steering.

On balance I still prefer my Clubsport mk8 but that’s a deep rooted personal thing.


In your shoes I’d be looking closely at the Cupra Born

Have been looking at that Clubsport and actually not going to eliminate it, really like the looks, know it performs brilliantly, its just having to reconcile self with the interior, which as do not play with car at all once set up should be lesser of a thing for me, but do have an aversion to touch only environments, If still on sale when order, the 45 appeals also

Problem I have is my allowance has not moved but car prices have, so having to be more prudent though as stated previously the pricing makes no sense sometimes so not entirely sure what will see as available and affordable till get access in March. But do want a shortlist as will have little time to decide to meet lead times.

Have serious interest in the M135i but have a little bit of confusion on ride as the M135i has adaptive dampers on the 18" but not on the 19" which is where you suspect need it most, so how can ride be anything but worse on the 19" than the 128ti on the 18" though do understand that the 128ti is lowered 8% more than the M Sport Suspension.

Every M135i review that seen, most on 19" they state the ride is actually pretty good, and never ever see a mention is overly firm that you do see in some 128i reviews. The seats in the M135i do look immense and regularly receive good comments.

Do ride around in my TCR pretty much permanently on the Sport setting and its never felt anything but nicely connected to the ground but not crashing in anyway, which put down to the adaptive dampers still doing work, even in firmest setting.

The 128ti might end up at the sweet spot on price so will have to have at least a day with it to see how the ride compares to my TCR in sport.

With regards the Cupra Born, it looks the part and incentive wise it would be much cheaper, but not having a drive is hugely limiting and feel most can reach to is a hybrid at this stage though am investigating local charging options. Lease company insist you have an EV for at least a week on trial before ordering which indicates to me that many have selected but then found limiting.

This is going to be the hardest change yet, with EV and hybrid edging in, and the price increases making what cars will be available and affordable less obvious, its genuinely a mystery to me what will end up with,

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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #34 on: 05 November 2021, 20:01 »
Hertsman, believe me, the mk8 interior is nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.
I felt at home in mine within seconds, which surprised me after reading and watching reviews.
There are things that aren’t ideal and a few irritants (lack of backlit volume thingy etc) but overall the experience is fine.
Personally I’d skip the Ed45 and just go for a Moonstone Clubsport with black Estorils and black roof. The other options I wouldn’t give tuppence for. HK maybe but the standard stereo isn’t too bad.

Drive wise I tend to think of the 7.5 TCR as the beta test platform of the mk8 Clubby.

The M135i rides pretty compliantly on 19” wheels. Underbody and under bonnet bracing help to allow BMW to run fairly supple suspension without any loss of high speed body control. It’s an impressive package.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #35 on: 05 November 2021, 22:11 »
Hertsman, believe me, the mk8 interior is nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.
I felt at home in mine within seconds, which surprised me after reading and watching reviews.
There are things that aren’t ideal and a few irritants (lack of backlit volume thingy etc) but overall the experience is fine.
Personally I’d skip the Ed45 and just go for a Moonstone Clubsport with black Estorils and black roof. The other options I wouldn’t give tuppence for. HK maybe but the standard stereo isn’t too bad.

Drive wise I tend to think of the 7.5 TCR as the beta test platform of the mk8 Clubby.

The M135i rides pretty compliantly on 19” wheels. Underbody and under bonnet bracing help to allow BMW to run fairly supple suspension without any loss of high speed body control. It’s an impressive package.

Do the M135i's still run on Run Flat tyres? Might be something worth note for those interested in one, given the vast difference in right quality they present.

On the mk8 I'd say your niggles will be rectified on a revision or a facelift of the car, and these are solely corners cut due to the microchip shortage.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #36 on: 05 November 2021, 22:28 »
I can’t remember if mine were run flats or not. Got a feeling they were just normal Bridgestones.

The internal simplification of interiors on the new generation VW cars is more to do with using less parts towards “carbon neutrality”. Money has been spent elsewhere in tech and things like alu subframes, bigger lighter brake discs, two piston callipers etc.
Mind you the retail prices have shot up but then again that applies to almost everything.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #37 on: 06 November 2021, 09:04 »
I can’t remember if mine were run flats or not. Got a feeling they were just normal Bridgestones.

The internal simplification of interiors on the new generation VW cars is more to do with using less parts towards “carbon neutrality”. Money has been spent elsewhere in tech and things like alu subframes, bigger lighter brake discs, two piston callipers etc.
Mind you the retail prices have shot up but then again that applies to almost everything.

Even Bridgestones I find have quite a hard ride compared to other makes.

Less moving parts but you have more sensors or circuitry so it's very much a paying Peter to pay Paul situation. Besides if companies wanted to actually go carbon neutral etc why are we still using plastic milk and drink bottles over glass or cans which are indefinite recyclable and impose a 20p deposit on them so they get returned to bottle banks, but anyway I won't be sitting on the M1.

I think the retail prices is related to the manufacturer no longer offering discounts to dealerships.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #38 on: 06 November 2021, 09:20 »
The internal simplification of interiors on the new generation VW cars is more to do with using less parts towards “carbon neutrality”.

Actually, I'd say it was reduction in build time...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-tells-german-workers-tesla-factory-will-threaten-jobs

Tesla managing to build a car in one third of the time/labour an ID3 takes...

Guess what, that's because the Tesla has less bits to fit...

In this race, don't imagine you are going to see a return to this:



Because even that, now looks like this:

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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #39 on: 06 November 2021, 10:37 »
The internal simplification of interiors on the new generation VW cars is more to do with using less parts towards “carbon neutrality”.

Actually, I'd say it was reduction in build time...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/vw-ceo-tells-german-workers-tesla-factory-will-threaten-jobs

Tesla managing to build a car in one third of the time/labour an ID3 takes...

Guess what, that's because the Tesla has less bits to fit...

In 10 years Tesla will actually be a threat, but for now they really need to work on their build quality they aren't up with their rivals yet, they skip steps that others don't.

That's if they don't bankrupt themselves before then... If it weren't for Diesel Gate the Ford Volkswagen electric program would really put an end to Tesla imo.



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