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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #60 on: 04 March 2018, 22:28 »
Take the snow away from the last week which to be honest doesn't happen that often unless you're in beautiful Northern Scotland then winter tyres would be worse than an the all weather tyres. As the tyre review video states full winters are awful on dry roads and only really out perform a cross climate in deep snow. Unless I've watched a different video.


Cant remember where I read it but an article I read said if you only had 1 option, using summer tyres all year compared to winter tyres all year, you would be marginally better off on the winters throughout the year.

I know I used my winter tyres through the summer one year on a A1 2.0TDI and found them absolutely fine. Granted it didn't have the power of the performance Golf but I think that is what the article was getting at. If you are driving normally then the pitfalls of winter are greater than summer so a winter tyre throughout would be marginally better. 

Not sure how accurate it was but I could see the merits of it.
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #61 on: 04 March 2018, 23:16 »
Golf R with Conti 6s or MPS4s tyres live south of Brum all year round, no need for winters.

Now for FWD or RWD maybe ? Naturally if your a rep covering Yorkshire and live In Watford then makes sense.
But if you don’t really have to drive in deep snow on those 2/3 days every other? or more years. Don’t .
Why spec your car with lovely alloys only to have some naff substitutes for 6 months a year. Or have to pay for twice yearly changing.
We have some very mild weather in the winter, I know what tyres I would want to be on, and btw summer tyres do not drop of a cliff at 7 degrees, all tyres generate heat also while in motion.
Each to there own circumstances of course. End of the day I’ve been out in the snow this week and was more scared of other vehicles than my own.
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #62 on: 05 March 2018, 00:21 »
It’s not so much the heat the tyres generate CHB, it’s the tarmac temperature.
Granted I do agree with you that it’s not a falling off a cliff at 7 degrees though.
I’ve never run winters myself but would if I used the car a lot more. I’d just pick up a low mileage set of wheels and winter tyres out of season on a forum or eBay.

Slightly off topic, having run three mk7’s with Bridgestone tyres I really don’t think they’re terrible in summer. They perform well when hot and I remember seeing a clip from the chassis guy who did the GTI CS set up saying th car was designed to run on Bridgestone rubber. That’s the rub, they did the testing on the ‘Ring at track temps. No wonder they don’t perform so well in cold British conditions.
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #63 on: 05 March 2018, 09:10 »
Why spec your car with lovely alloys only to have some naff substitutes for 6 months a year.  and btw summer tyres do not drop of a cliff at 7 degrees, all tyres generate heat also while in motion.

The VW alloys are to heavy in weight...I sold them...& bought two sets of Team Dynamic Pro Race alloys.. one set of winters & one set of summers..each wheel 2kg lighter.....both in the same size alloy & 225mm wide tyres...so not having "naff substitutes"... :tongue:

Also having driven the summers in cold weather & the winters in warm, I can state that the summers do go hard & less grippy has you get to +5C & lower..I can feel it.....basic material make up of the tyre...winters have more silica in them so they remain more flexible.... :cool:

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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #64 on: 05 March 2018, 10:39 »

Take the snow away from the last week which to be honest doesn't happen that often unless you're in beautiful Northern Scotland then winter tyres would be worse than an the all weather tyres. As the tyre review video states full winters are awful on dry roads and only really out perform a cross climate in deep snow. Unless I've watched a different video.

That tyre review with the cars sliding down the slopes was bad IMHO...

Yeah because he only tests thousands of tyres, what would he know about it.  :grin:
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #65 on: 05 March 2018, 11:22 »

Take the snow away from the last week which to be honest doesn't happen that often unless you're in beautiful Northern Scotland then winter tyres would be worse than an the all weather tyres. As the tyre review video states full winters are awful on dry roads and only really out perform a cross climate in deep snow. Unless I've watched a different video.

That tyre review with the cars sliding down the slopes was bad IMHO...

Yeah because he only tests thousands of tyres, what would he know about it.  :grin:

In the beginning section when he is talking about the tyre types he does not mention M+S or 3mpsf marks...& also his assertion that the cross climates are a summer bias all season total misses the point that they will give better grip & almost the same level of grip as what he calls "winters" ...all because they are 3mpsf rated.....the same as a full "winter" tyre should be.

Also he does not explain why the winter tyres have a softer compound...infact they don't when compared to a summer tyre on a hot day!!...just that the material make up remains more flexible at low temps because it has more silica in it...which he didn't mention

& as for the braking comparisons...quote from Michelin website:-

1) MICHELIN CrossClimate+ has the same level in dry braking as MICHELIN CrossClimate (Test conducted by TÜV SÜD Product Service, at Michelin's request, in September 2016, on dimension 205/55 R16 on VW Golf 7). MICHELIN CrossClimate has a similar level in dry braking as the Summer reference tyre (Comparative test conducted by AutoBild on dimension 205/55 R16, published the 30th of September 2016)

& I have never had any problems with dry road conditions in low temps (+9C & lower) with my winter 3mpsf tyres...

Like I say bad video on the technicalities & arranging the tyres into his "groups" is misleading & confusing....

You have for example:-

3mpsf, & M+S tyres,
3mpsf rated all seasons
M+S tyres
all seasons
normal tyres or summers.

The ratings are more important as they give a better indication of grip levels & self cleaning/clearing abilities...
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #66 on: 05 March 2018, 14:33 »
For extra clarity on tyres further to my post above:-

Difference between M+S & 3mpsf:-
Basically M+S used to be "Mud & Snow"..some called it "Mountain & Snow"....mainly concerned with the open tread design to self clean mud & snow from the grooves in the tread block. The 3mpsf (three mountain peak & snow flake" is a regulatory test (EU reg 661/2009) for minimum "snow grip index" levels, usually achieved with snipes/sipes in tread & more silica in the rubber.

https://www.goodyear.eu/corporate_emea/our-responsibilities/road-safety/winter-tire-recognition.jsp

Tyres with both the M+S & 3mpsf are "true" winter tyres as they have open treads to self clean snow & mud, plus guaranteed minimum grip levels on ice, snow etc...

All season tyres are just a marketing/design bias with no exact standard to meet..however buy ones with the 3mpsf symbol & you have tyres that have minimum grip level on ice/snow....so like a winter tyre above?..NO you don't get the same self cleaning M+S tread pattern...

Quote re dry braking for Alpin A5 tyres (mine):-
"On dry surfaces, when braking from 80 to 0 kmph with an outside temperature of between +4 and +6°C, a winter tyre will brake 4 metres before a summer tyre, and 1.5 metres before when going from 50 to 0 kmph."

https://tyres.rezulteo.co.uk/blog/tyre-news/new-tyres/michelin-alpin-5-improved-performance-greater-versatility-1330


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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #67 on: 08 March 2018, 01:17 »
The Continental AllWeather Contacts that I mentioned above have both the 3MPSF and M+S markings on them.
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #68 on: 08 March 2018, 19:18 »
Anyone after a set of winters with alloys?

Selling mine, details below:
A3 speedline wheels 16x6.5j ET50 with Nokian WR A4 205 55 16 94V XL (approved for speeds up to 149mph ;) ), 2 tyres have manufacturing date mid 2016, 2 got autumn 2017 mfg stamp.
All around 6.5 - 7.5mm of tread left.

Will fit Golf mk6, mk7 (possibly also mk5), A3 8P and 8V, Octavia mk2 / mk3 and Seat Leon.

Selling as we’re moving to Germany and the Mrs will get my old man’s Fiat and I’ll get something else (Subaru Levorg maybe, but as it’s a company car they will get me some winter tyres).
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Re: Winter tyres
« Reply #69 on: 11 March 2018, 17:32 »
Gonna warm this one up in case anyone is in the market for some winters....  :whistle:

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