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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #20 on: 28 August 2017, 20:13 »
I had dcc on my last gtd and ditched it at the last minute on my new one. I've only had 18's but honestly I've not missed it once and I'm nine hundred quid up :-)
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #21 on: 29 August 2017, 08:42 »
I had dcc on my last gtd and ditched it at the last minute on my new one. I've only had 18's but honestly I've not missed it once and I'm nine hundred quid up :-)

The R with DCC on 19"s rides better in NORMAL than a GTI Mk7 on 18's with no DCC.
Make of that what you will.
Our third world roads are so bad DCC should be standard. Germany different story.
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #22 on: 29 August 2017, 10:46 »
I agree, the DCC must be better now?!. Think the ride in Comfort and my 19" inch, is smother than my old Volvo V70.. :grin: :grin:

I thought one of the changes in the Mk7.5 is that the difference in firmness of the DCC damping has been widened to make a more obvious difference. Someone with more knowledge than I may concur or correct that tho'.

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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #23 on: 29 August 2017, 11:23 »
I agree, the DCC must be better now?!. Think the ride in Comfort and my 19" inch, is smother than my old Volvo V70.. :grin: :grin:

I thought one of the changes in the Mk7.5 is that the difference in firmness of the DCC damping has been widened to make a more obvious difference. Someone with more knowledge than I may concur or correct that tho'.

Only three more sleeps before I pick my new car up and can try it for myself  :smiley:

Yes my dealer says that, but i haven´t find any info about this on the web..
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #24 on: 29 August 2017, 11:37 »
I had dcc on my last gtd and ditched it at the last minute on my new one. I've only had 18's but honestly I've not missed it once and I'm nine hundred quid up :-)

The R with DCC on 19"s rides better in NORMAL than a GTI Mk7 on 18's with no DCC.
Make of that what you will.
Our third world roads are so bad DCC should be standard. Germany different story.

Doesn't the R have a different rear suspension and the rear has a softer rebound.
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #25 on: 29 August 2017, 12:26 »
I agree, the DCC must be better now?!. Think the ride in Comfort and my 19" inch, is smother than my old Volvo V70.. :grin: :grin:

I thought one of the changes in the Mk7.5 is that the difference in firmness of the DCC damping has been widened to make a more obvious difference. Someone with more knowledge than I may concur or correct that tho'.

Only three more sleeps before I pick my new car up and can try it for myself  :smiley:

It's possible but it's not documented in the sales details. You'd probably have to look at the part numbers for old and new adaptive struts to see if anything is new. On the other hand, it could just be a value in the control system... Not sure if they are truly dynamic (ie a range of values) or if the strut has three settings and you toggle them...
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #26 on: 29 August 2017, 12:43 »
I agree, the DCC must be better now?!. Think the ride in Comfort and my 19" inch, is smother than my old Volvo V70.. :grin: :grin:

I thought one of the changes in the Mk7.5 is that the difference in firmness of the DCC damping has been widened to make a more obvious difference. Someone with more knowledge than I may concur or correct that tho'.

Only three more sleeps before I pick my new car up and can try it for myself  :smiley:

It's possible but it's not documented in the sales details. You'd probably have to look at the part numbers for old and new adaptive struts to see if anything is new. On the other hand, it could just be a value in the control system... Not sure if they are truly dynamic (ie a range of values) or if the strut has three settings and you toggle them...

Yes that is antoher question about DCC! Is there any company that can tune the DCC?!.  :smiley:

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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #27 on: 30 August 2017, 14:12 »
Well, DCC is actually Tenneco/Monroe's CVSAe system:

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Tenneco’s continuously variable semi-active suspension solution which continuously senses the road and driving conditions to adjust the four dampers in real time for a more comfortable and controlled ride. The four electronically controlled dampers connect to an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which manages all the sensor inputs like wheel accelerations, body displacement and steering angle, and drives the damper settings every 10 milliseconds to deliver optimal ride comfort and vehicle control in all road and driving situations. It is based on a triple tube damper design which has one externally mounted active hydraulic valve to control the damping. The driver can also select a preferred driving style, e.g. more comfort or more dynamic. This product has proven itself on over 40 different vehicle models. With an evolved damper and hydraulic valve design and improved performance, this product is still market leading today.

Additionally stuff from them says:

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Developed by Tenneco in conjunction with Öhlins Racing, the CVSA system is a semi-active suspension that continuously adjusts damping levels according to road conditions and vehicle dynamics, such as speed, turning and cornering, delivering comfort without sacrificing the safety of sure handling. A  powerful  Electronic  Control  Unit  (ECU) triggers the CVSA system. Found at the heart of the CVSA unit, the ECU is designed to exploit the full potential of the electro-hydraulic valving system by processing input data sent by a group of sensors placed at key locations on the  vehicle.  Additional  input  signals  are provided from other modules sharing the CAN (Controller Area Network) bus. The CVSA utilizes control software that processes the sensor information regarding steering wheel angle, vehicle speed, brake pressure and other chassis control information and sends signals that  independently  adjust  the  damp-ing level of each shock absorber valve.
CVSA  dampers  allow  a  large  separa-tion between maximum and minimum damping  levels  and  adjust  instanta-
neously to ensure the optimum in ride comfort and firm, safe vehicle control.

So it sounds like the Monroe ECU is where the amount of dampening is configured...

The article goes on to say:

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DiagnosticTrouble Codes. The DTCs related to the ride control system are not recorded in the Engine Control Module. These codes are logged in a dedicated control module or the Body Control Module, requiring a scan tool capable of accessing these ECUs. Relying on the data provided by a generic tool is causing many techs to miss needed information. “Techs need to be aware that replac-ing these units will ‘turn out the light’ when the code specifically indicates an issue with a damper, or a solenoid that  is  integrated  into  the  damper,”  Bacarella  cautions.  “Many  techs  are  not as aware of diagnosing BCM issues as they are with ECMs. They’ve been taught how to read and resolve engine-related DTCs but unfortunately some of these classes don’t explain that there are other codes to be found.

So it sounds like another controller on the CANBUS, which may or may not be electronically configurable.

I'd guess probably NOT by virtue of making changes to it could compromise the safety of the vehicle and they tend to lock those sort of things down!!!
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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #28 on: 30 August 2017, 16:45 »
There's an interesting writeup here of BMW's version of DCC (which actually is effectively the same Monroe system):

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=942225

In that thread they talk about Dinan Shockware:

https://www.dinancars.com/product/d906-1301-dinan-shockware-suspension-tuning-for-bmw-edc-2/

So, if that is possible on BMW, in theory the same is possible for a Golf....

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Re: DCC with 19" Alloys, is it worth it?
« Reply #29 on: 30 August 2017, 16:59 »
Aha!

Here we go:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vwqcwx32urcs1ol/AADxbgfxZyxk859hwMbhPNIEa?dl=0&preview=SSP-Nr__406__DCC_Adaptive_Chassis_Control_Design_and_Function.pdf

"The maps for the respective shock absorber setting are stored in the electronically controlled damping control unit J250"

Although I don't think there is much scope for effective changes really if you go on and read exactly how the different initial damping works...

Anyway, it satisfies my engineering head to have read this.
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