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Offline wantmygti

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Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« on: 31 May 2017, 22:05 »
Any ideas how the latest GTi is documented as achieving 6.2secs to 60 (manual or DSG) from 230ps when the Clubsport is only quoted as posting a 6.3secs dash from 260/290ps?

Presumably the GTI Performance with +15ps and potentially +1 DSG gear is quicker still?
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #1 on: 31 May 2017, 22:16 »
Short answer is I don't know.

Longer answer is that it is probably best to ignore quotes figures.  I've seen a YouTube review of the 7.5 GTi with PP and they timed it at 5.7 to 60mph with proper timing gear. That was for a DSG equipped car. Surely a DSG clubsport must be quicker still?!  Unless the 245bhp figure for the GTI PP is conservative, here's hoping as I've ordered one
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #2 on: 31 May 2017, 22:23 »
I'm tempted by the Clubsport - hoping its figures are conservative!! I think the DSG can put down the full 290ps from the off but the manual can't until 3rd gear?
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #3 on: 31 May 2017, 22:39 »
Standard GTi (230hp) is quoted as 6.4 sec to 60, Performance edition (245) is quoted as 6.2 sec.
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #4 on: 31 May 2017, 23:08 »
Standard GTi (230hp) is quoted as 6.4 sec to 60, Performance edition (245) is quoted as 6.2 sec.

The dealer listed used cars are showing 230ps at 6.2 secs.

Either way the CS should be quicker on paper.
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #5 on: 31 May 2017, 23:40 »
Any ideas how the latest GTi is documented as achieving 6.2secs to 60 (manual or DSG) from 230ps when the Clubsport is only quoted as posting a 6.3secs dash from 260/290ps?
... with just a little bit more (quoted) power and torque the Golf R can do 0-62 much faster.

So I'm going to guess the answer is traction. They are hitting the limit of what a FWD car can achieve. Of course, after 60 the Clubsport will give an Golf R a good run.

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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #6 on: 31 May 2017, 23:59 »
Clubsport vs Golf R - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkLrq2mc9Mc

The Clubsport appears to out brake and corner better than a Golf R. They explain why in the description. In theory the Golf GTI Performance - having the R brakes and being lighter - should be able to do the same. Though the Golf R will be able to exit bends and accelerate away on the straights.

Did you notice the Clubsport dropping back everytime he changed gear.

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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #7 on: 01 June 2017, 05:20 »
Going on VW Driver mag road test results, as they're done by the same people using the same equipment under as close as possible conditions using real life figures, then there's very little in it 0-60 between the ED40 CS & mk7 PP 230PS (same engine tune as standard 7.5GTI). Even the in gear performance is reasonably close going from published figures, manual vs manual.
The first two gears are quite low and the CS doesn't produce full power until 3rd gear so it's not really any surprise 0-60's are very close with no 4WD to halt the rampant wheel spin. The VAQ diff can't stop wheels spinning if they're both pointing dead ahead and normal traction control will try and stifle the power at the wheels instead.
Once you're looking at 0-70 and above you'll see the numbers opening up a bit. By which time an R would have vanished into the road haze ahead.

I'm not sure how much extra torque the CS puts out under full boost but the 7.5PP has more torque than the 258lb ft of the 265bhp tune of the CS in 1st & 2nd (which is identical torque to the other mk7 GTI's) so the 7.5PP may well be a fraction quicker to 60 than a CS.

It's in real world driving the CS scores with its eagerness to rev; away from academic (almost pointless) 0-60 drag races the CS feels more eager and although there will only ever be a few tenths of a second in it until way after licence losing speeds are attained (all too quickly) but the bigger turbo'd car definitely feels more eager once the needle starts climbing up the rev range. 
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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #8 on: 01 June 2017, 05:46 »
I think the Mk7.5 as the avantage, the "new" 7speed is a masterpiece. The lost of horesepower is gaind by the 7 speed...

It´s crazy when you think how the engineers can do cars better and faster every time it´s a facelift :) ( i work as a engineer.. :undecided:) :grin:



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Re: Clubsport Vs Mk7.5 GTi performance
« Reply #9 on: 01 June 2017, 09:59 »
The Clubsport's "official" 0-60 has been messed with a lot during its lifetime. When the car was announced at Worthersee and until the first test drives from journos the quoted time was 5.9" which is closer to what independent tests have measured (between 5.9 and 6.1). For some (inexplicable at the time) reason they changed that value to a much lazier 6.3" at official launch even though the car bettered this time in every test. Not so inexplicable it seems now as the 7.5GTI's quoted 6.2" seems too much of a convenient 0.1" quicker as in "new car is quicker?!"  :wink:

If the question is whether the 7.5GTI will be quicker than the CS both in 0-60 and in every other in-gear acceleration I very highly doubt it, unless they secretly fitted an R engine in the 7.5 as well (more particularly: an IS38 turbo  :smiley:) especially above 2nd gear. If anyone has accurate acceleration times on the 7.5GTI (other than 0-60 which is out of my interest anyway) I'd be interested to compared them with my own times measured using high precision 10Hz GPS receiver.