New R Fuel Consumption!!!!!

[scanesare]

It's fairly simple really, I use my car as my daily driver and my main commute of 40 miles is spent at 40-60mph in constant traffic, so perfect conditions for good MPG but no choice unless I act like an idiot and try to pass everyone.
This usually gives high 30s to 40 as seems to be the norm for this average speed judging by the comments from the VWROC forum linked earlier. Was never that keen in rushing to work anyway 

At the weekend when enjoying the car it's usually low to mid 20s so this averages out at what you see.

That's what I love about these cars, best of both worlds.

Thanks for the clarification and that's exactly what I meant. The reason for this - unusually high - 31.9 mpg is then down to the fact that you are in a position of doing 1000miles/month in constant flow, between 40 to 60mph. No wonder you're getting these numbers as that's the ideal scenario for high mpg, in any car. For everybody else using the car in shorter or more spirited trips on average (as for example: myself, Booth11, and the OP) he'll never get to see these numbers long-term. The weekend drives which are closer to the type of use I associate with these cars are around 22 for you as well which is in line with everybody else's figures so at least the OP can relax knowing that nobody's getting better economy out of their car - it's only a matter of usage.

That's why I always say economy comparisons without detailed description of the way the miles were driven are totally pointless. The difference of modern, advanced engines such as this one compared to 10-20 years ago means that at least in low load conditions they are able to drink a lot less than in the past, but that's just about it. The moment you start to spool the turbo everything goes naturally out the window.


PS. On the other hand, If 90%+ of your miles are 40-60mph steady, you don't really see any benefit (performance wise) in driving a car like an S3/R/etc. An A3 would have provided exactly the same experience (performance requirements in that scenario are practically non-existent) and guess what, with probably 50-60% the fuel you're using now?

[mike.]

PS. On the other hand, If 90%+ of your miles are 40-60mph steady, you don't really see any benefit (performance wise) in driving a car like an S3/R/etc. An A3 would have provided exactly the same experience (performance requirements in that scenario are practically non-existent) and guess what, with probably 50-60% the fuel you're using now?

Funny you should say that, I was driving mum's MK7 Golf 1.4 for a few months, in between selling the GTI and waiting for the new car and was getting 50+MPG but wasn't getting to work any slower and it was still a nice place to be. Then just get something really mad for the weekend. 

[eatontrifles]

Funny you should say that, I was driving mum's MK7 Golf 1.4 for a few months, in between selling the GTI and waiting for the new car and was getting 50+MPG but wasn't getting to work any slower and it was still a nice place to be. Then just get something really mad for the weekend. 

The problem with doing that is that costs don't  stack up and offset the difference.

For example, I do an estimated 6000 miles a year commuting to and from work (9 miles each way), which at my current long term figure of 30mpg will cost £1272 in fuel. At 50mpg that drops to £763, so a £509 annual fuel saving - or £42 per month.

Let's say for example that a GTI lease is £320 per month (ignore the deposit as we can put the same down on a 1.4) and the less fun car comes out at £240 per month so a saving of £80 per month - £960 per year.

Combine the two savings and you've got £122 per month to spend, which won't get you a fun new car so it has to be an older cash or loan purchase - if you extrapolate that over three years (before you get bored and want something else) then you have around £4.5k to spend on purchasing the vehicle and maintenance. We can probably ignore fuel costs as it's for occasional use and any residual value after three years will have been offset by running costs and maintenance.


So in conclusion - get something fun for the daily. 

[CHB100]

The spirit was not that someone is lying necessarily but that for those numbers to be true (no reason to believe they aren't)  it should be down to a way of driving and conditions way different than mine or most others for that matter, to be considered representative for the average R/S3/Clubsport owner so I still don't stress over anyone's unusually high mpg of any variant of the CJX engine. These engines have been out for quite a while now to expect any improvements all of a sudden. So yes, 31.9mpg over 9322.2 miles is totally possible but as someone (in a different language) once said: it's a bit like sausages: Result tastes good but you don't want to know how they were made...

It's fairly simple really, I use my car as my daily driver and my main commute of 40 miles is spent at 40-60mph in constant traffic, so perfect conditions for good MPG but no choice unless I act like an idiot and try to pass everyone.
This usually gives high 30s to 40 as seems to be the norm for this average speed judging by the comments from the VWROC forum linked earlier. Was never that keen in rushing to work anyway 

At the weekend when enjoying the car it's usually low to mid 20s so this averages out at what you see.

That's what I love about these cars, best of both worlds.

Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden

[scanesare]

Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden

And again, the point is that if/when the figures are different, it's not the car/engine that has actually different performance/economy but the type of miles that each owner does, couldn't be more clear after Mike's explanation of his 31.9 in his S3. It should be obvious but in some cases people have been as worried as to take their car to the dealership with the complaint of "increased fuel consumption" because it didn't match figures posted in forums...

Also, if 20mpg was the max, in a world where other 300bhp cars could also just hit 20's then most people would still buy I think, it's all about reference and comparison.

[Booth11]

Well I'm glad some of us deem fuel consumption a relevant topic of debate. For sure you pays yer money etc. But whether a GTD,GTI or R still good to know what others are achieving over and after a period of time. It can make the difference in the decision of purchase for many due to running costs. Of course driving styles vary, journeys vary. I wonder if 20mpg was the max an R could achieve, how many would still buy? Notwithstanding maybe having an oil well in the garden

And again, the point is that if/when the figures are different, it's not the car/engine that has actually different performance/economy but the type of miles that each owner does, couldn't be more clear after Mike's explanation of his 31.9 in his S3. It should be obvious but in some cases people have been as worried as to take their car to the dealership with the complaint of "increased fuel consumption" because it didn't match figures posted in forums...

Also, if 20mpg was the max, in a world where other 300bhp cars could also just hit 20's then most people would still buy I think, it's all about reference and comparison.

^ This.

[JoeGTI]

I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...

By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!

[Booth11]

I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...

By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!

Do you think you get 800 euros p/a more enjoyment from an R than you would a TDI Bluemption? 

[Adamidae]

Recent R owner (7.5) & not been driving it long (nor read all of this thread), but:

- The delivery driver got "over 40" by being in Eco Mode & driving it at 60 ("But it still shifted off roundabouts".  Did it now)
- I get (very) early 30s on most runs - by mainly tootling it in Eco, with a few short Race bursts that usually remove a couple of MPGs for the total journey
- I reckon I'd get nearer 15mpg driving it hard - particularly if short journeys
- For being an estate, that goes like sh*t off a shovel, getting anywhere near 30mpg is great - and could easily be more if not for the stonking Race mode.

[fredgroves]

I've always said on here... "what difference does a few MPG make" but for the fun (or not), I just did some rough calculations on what my R costs me on fuel versus what I'd roughly be paying if I was driving a TDI bluemotion...

By my calcs, even with my low annual mileage (8.5k per year), I spend about 800 euro p/a more on fuel than I would do in a shopping trolley diesel. I think I will revert to not thinking any more about it!

Do you think you get 800 euros p/a more enjoyment from an R than you would a TDI Bluemption?

For 20k a year, i worked it out, its about 50 quid a month more for a GTI than a GTD and about another 70 a month more for an R compared to a GTI...

Hard to say whether I'd feel happy spending that money, because equally you could say that a 150PS Bluemotion would be cheaper still...

I guess we all make all sorts of decisions about how we spend our hard earnt cash - whether its holidays in the Caribbean, fast cars, expensive women or hoovering white powder up your nose. Its all about priorities and choices.