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Offline mcmaddy

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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #30 on: 09 October 2016, 07:25 »
I was still tempted to go for another gtd until I drove the R and two gti's. Loved the R and got the go ahead to buy one but decided I didn't want the extra expense at the moment as it would have been more on the monthlies and also more on the fuel bill. The gti is costing less than I'm paying at the moment and I reckon the fuel bill will be about the same too. Gtd would have been the cheapest to both buy and run even on 9k miles a year but it would probably suffer the same as the tiguan I've currently got with warming up fully on a morning. Everyone has a reason behind what car they choose and everyones different.
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #31 on: 09 October 2016, 08:36 »
If i'd done 70mph it would've been around 65mpg, and doing 60 on the same stretch would've been pushing 70mpg. I think Sootchucker has proven that on some of his mpg challenges.
I will back that up - I regularly got 60 - 65mpg around the north section of the M25 - 35 mile commute. 65mpg was normally achieved dropping speed to 65mph and no hold-ups

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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #32 on: 10 October 2016, 09:07 »
It's frightening the amount of topics on this forum that obsess about a few measly mpg. The single biggest hit on your pocket is the depreciation/loan repayments. A few mpg when doing average ish miles is a penny in the ocean.

I still say the GTD should only be considered if doing intergalactic mileage. Some will disagree. Enjoy your GTI imo.

I agree with most of what you are saying - depreciation is by far the biggest hit on the pocket, which is why I went for the R and disregarded the modest extra fuelling costs over the GTI, I feel that it offers a lot more than the GTI for what amounts to a 4mpg difference to me and my driving style (albeit with dearer fuel). Personal circumstances changed that allowed me to buy my R outright and not have 1/3 of the monthly cost of ownership going on PCP interest, my R is the cheapest VW i've had on a monthly basis for many years as I was previously PCPing.

I would worry more about the mpg differences between the the GTD and the GTI than I would between the GTI and the R if you've got at least a 15 mile commute on your hands to get the GTD warm and efficient.

But, when the GTD is cheaper than the GTI (just), has better residuals (bringing down the monthly cost of depreciation) and costs less to run in fuel and tax, that monthly difference is significant even on average mileage. For some it might push the cost of a GTI just outside what they're willing to pay a month to run a car.

At the end of the day you've got to weigh up monthly savings vs fun factor. Will that GTI (or R) be worth the extra cost for the extra driving enjoyment it may or may not derive? That's a completely individual decision.

You've also got to remember that when the first of us got our hands on a MK7 GTD or GTI, fuel was 20% dearer than it is currently - which really opened up the GTD's savings. I'd have to think hard about buying and running an R right now if it was pushing £1.50 a litre to fuel it (currently paying £1.139 a litre for Tesco Momentum), back in October 13, I was paying out about £1.38 a litre for diesel, and premium unleaded would've been about £1.48 a litre.

Think we very similar in driving patterns, styles and overall mileage and you pretty much replicated my thinking in all you stated in this thread

the last 2 checks of consumption for over 200 miles, were averages of 37.5 and 42 for my GTD and the last figure I know was bumped up by a relatively long journey.

Most of my shorter around town and into next town journeys definitely do not utilise the GTD strengths and given expect to not go beyond 7,000 miles doubt my fuel impact will be significant. Expect 30-32 MPG to be my average based on driving style is not going to change.

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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #33 on: 10 October 2016, 12:55 »
I estimate my annual mileage will now be about 15k.  I was swapping from a modified Ibiza PD130 that was running 190bhp/315ftlb, and was convinced the GTD would be the one for me.  My long term average in the Ibiza was 47mpg, 2k miles into GTI ownership and I'm averaging about 9mpg less.  I test drove the GTD and agree with the earlier comment about it being soulless!
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #34 on: 10 October 2016, 17:46 »
There's less soul in all the MK7s - it's the price of refinement and more linear power delivery in modern vehicles. Add in the move towards DSG, lots of traction/safety tech, busier roads and a lot of the driver/car interaction is gone. On decent tyres you have to be doing something stupid to have the car bite back. My 170TDI Scirocco was a lot more fun than my GTD, but less refined. It's only the proper shove in the back when I floor my R that really puts a smile on my face when driving.
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #35 on: 10 November 2016, 22:10 »
I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #36 on: 11 November 2016, 07:31 »
I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

Forget eco, anything it does is negligible. 15 mile each way commute and 50mph roads to only get 29mpg in a GTI - are they gridlocked? I have a 20 mile commute on mixed roads which are free flowing going to work and a bit busy coming home - I put my foot down when the opportunity arises and still get 33mpg to work and 31 coming home in a manual R. Is yours DSG (thirstier than manual)?
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #37 on: 11 November 2016, 08:56 »
I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

I do 25 mile commute average about 30 urban roads no duels or motorways did a cleethorpes round trip with a few big grin moments and returned 37.4.
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #38 on: 11 November 2016, 14:05 »
I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

Blimey, are your slippers soled in lead? :shocked: I rarely get less than 30mpg. My commute is only 5 miles and even in the current cold weather I get 30+ with just the occasional drop below. A steady run over 18 miles home on motorways has given 50 in the past and usually yields at least 40. As others have said, eco is rubbish, mine is always in Individual with all but the steering set to sport.
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Re: Gti to gtd
« Reply #39 on: 12 November 2016, 12:17 »
I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

Forget eco, anything it does is negligible. 15 mile each way commute and 50mph roads to only get 29mpg in a GTI - are they gridlocked? I have a 20 mile commute on mixed roads which are free flowing going to work and a bit busy coming home - I put my foot down when the opportunity arises and still get 33mpg to work and 31 coming home in a manual R. Is yours DSG (thirstier than manual)?

I only drive in eco as I like how the gears go up quicker (or don't they and I'm just imagining it?). There is traffic to start with getting to the motorway then it's plain sailing all the way to work. Honesty my long term average has stayed static at 29MPG. I am only 5K miles in though...


I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

I do 25 mile commute average about 30 urban roads no duels or motorways did a cleethorpes round trip with a few big grin moments and returned 37.4.
I knew when I git the Gti it wasn't gonna be economical but I didn't buy it for that I got it for the grin factor  :cool: :whistle:

Oh definitely, hence the 'I guess it's worth it' :grin:! To be fair I only averaged around 36MPG in my 1.4 TSI Beetle so it's not a massive drop for me just wondered how everybody else managed 35+ :wink:

I honestly can't get over a 29MPG long term average and that's driving around like a Grandad in eco! :sad:

Do a 30 mile round trip to work and back (involves 50 roads mostly) and the best I'll get is 31. I will admit I got close to 40 on a big trip to London but that seems an anomaly. I guess it's worth it :rolleyes:

Blimey, are your slippers soled in lead? :shocked: I rarely get less than 30mpg. My commute is only 5 miles and even in the current cold weather I get 30+ with just the occasional drop below. A steady run over 18 miles home on motorways has given 50 in the past and usually yields at least 40. As others have said, eco is rubbish, mine is always in Individual with all but the steering set to sport.

Don't think I even saw 50 in my Beetle :grin:! Maybe mine just needs a bit more miles on it and it'll open up :cool:.
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