Gti to gtd

[Restlessnative]

I'm getting 50mpg average in my GTD.Drops to about 45 in the Winter.Mix of roads/traffic.
As others have said.You will very likely get your pants well and truly pulled down if you trade in.You only need to look at trade in values of 1 year old GTI'S/GTD'S to see how they take a huge hit.
I'd keep the GTI for a couple of years then see how things are.That is what i'm doing with my GTD.

[Wrex22]

Yes I'll be sticking with the GTi , got offered £19800 for my gti against a £23k GTD would bump my payments up £100 a month so would more than cancel out any saving in ⛽️ fuel. Plus after test driving the diesel I wasn't overly taken with power delivery. I'll just have to drive the gti  about more carefully and limt my fun time

[mcmaddy]

Tyres and possibly type of fuel used could affect mpg's too.

[monkeyhanger]

I still think some of your figures aren't 100% correct, the GTi is at 2800 rpm at 80 for a start, also your never likely to maintain an AVG on a UK motorway unless it's 2am. And the OP has a mixture of roads on a commute? So the comparison drawn may not relate to the actual use.

 I guess we will agree to differ, however not sure the cure to this is a change in car based on present info... (Not saying you were suggesting changing the car)

I stand corrected on the ratios, although I never noticed when I had a run out in a GTI on an extended test drive - I didn't realise the GTI had a 10% taller 6th gear than the R. Given that and the R's pulling about 7% more weight through a Haldex system, the fact that it is only 4mpg thirstier (albeit on higher octane fuel) in my experience goes to show that the R is pretty good on fuel all things considered (with its extra 36% power). There's not much of a penalty for running a Haldex when the R is only 4% thirstier than the Clubsport officially (wonder if the CS/CSS are running the same gearbox ratios as the R?).

I don't think anyone expects to average 80mph for the whole journey when they mention it, they aim to maintain that as a cruising speed on the motorway and all the incidental slowdowns across the journey (the roundabouts and sliproads either end and changing roads) bring that down a bit. My point was that maintaining 60mph is a hell of a lot more frugal than 80mph in a GTI/R, with less of a penalty on the significantly higher geared GTD for doing 80 rather than 60 (even though the difference is still significant).

Most modern turboed engines are at their most efficient maintaining around 2000-2200 revs. I see this with my R and my previous GTD - the difference between my R doing a constant 30mph/5th or 40mph/6th in heavy but flowing traffic (getting around 40mpg on a stretch like that) and the GTD doing the same speeds in a lower gear so as not to labour the engine (getting about 45mpg) is relatively small. At those speeds the R (and the GTI) are running optimally, the GTD isn't stretching its legs at that point. On a long journey with clear roads doing 60+mph for most of the journey, the GTD is going to have a huge mpg advantage. With that in mind, the OP's 34mpg GTI commute is highly likely to be 50-53mpg in a GTD without changing his driving style.

Financially though, for the OP, he'd lose so much to change so early. People worry far more about an extra £15/20 a week being spent at the pumps that a GTD to GTI/R costs to run than what could be an extra £50-80 a month that quietly slips out of their bank account by DD because they added a few pricey options.

[Restlessnative]

Yes I'll be sticking with the GTi , got offered £19800 for my gti against a £23k GTD would bump my payments up £100 a month so would more than cancel out any saving in ⛽️ fuel. Plus after test driving the diesel I wasn't overly taken with power delivery. I'll just have to drive the gti  about more carefully and limt my fun time

You know it makes sense.Somtimes you have to just put your accountants head on with such things.
People will say 'it's only money blah,blah'.But it's not theirs is it?.

[Restlessnative]

Tyres and possibly type of fuel used could affect mom's too.

I check my tyres once a month.I know the TPMS is supposed to advise you of pressure losses.But i prefer to check it myself.

[Restlessnative]

'Financially though, for the OP, he'd lose so much to change so early. People worry far more about an extra £15/20 a week being spent at the pumps that a GTD to GTI/R costs to run than what could be an extra £50-80 a month that quietly slips out of their bank account by DD because they added a few pricey options'.
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Totally agree with that.

[JoeGTI]

It's frightening the amount of topics on this forum that obsess about a few measly mpg. The single biggest hit on your pocket is the depreciation/loan repayments. A few mpg when doing average ish miles is a penny in the ocean.

I still say the GTD should only be considered if doing intergalactic mileage. Some will disagree. Enjoy your GTI imo.

[Restlessnative]

It's frightening the amount of topics on this forum that obsess about a few measly mpg. The single biggest hit on your pocket is the depreciation/loan repayments. A few mpg when doing average ish miles is a penny in the ocean.

I still say the GTD should only be considered if doing intergalactic mileage. Some will disagree. Enjoy your GTI imo.

Depreciation,depreciation depreciation.They should do a show about it!.

A penny in the ocean I like that phrase.

[monkeyhanger]

It's frightening the amount of topics on this forum that obsess about a few measly mpg. The single biggest hit on your pocket is the depreciation/loan repayments. A few mpg when doing average ish miles is a penny in the ocean.

I still say the GTD should only be considered if doing intergalactic mileage. Some will disagree. Enjoy your GTI imo.

I agree with most of what you are saying - depreciation is by far the biggest hit on the pocket, which is why I went for the R and disregarded the modest extra fuelling costs over the GTI, I feel that it offers a lot more than the GTI for what amounts to a 4mpg difference to me and my driving style (albeit with dearer fuel). Personal circumstances changed that allowed me to buy my R outright and not have 1/3 of the monthly cost of ownership going on PCP interest, my R is the cheapest VW i've had on a monthly basis for many years as I was previously PCPing.

I would worry more about the mpg differences between the the GTD and the GTI than I would between the GTI and the R if you've got at least a 15 mile commute on your hands to get the GTD warm and efficient.

But, when the GTD is cheaper than the GTI (just), has better residuals (bringing down the monthly cost of depreciation) and costs less to run in fuel and tax, that monthly difference is significant even on average mileage. For some it might push the cost of a GTI just outside what they're willing to pay a month to run a car.

At the end of the day you've got to weigh up monthly savings vs fun factor. Will that GTI (or R) be worth the extra cost for the extra driving enjoyment it may or may not derive? That's a completely individual decision.

You've also got to remember that when the first of us got our hands on a MK7 GTD or GTI, fuel was 20% dearer than it is currently - which really opened up the GTD's savings. I'd have to think hard about buying and running an R right now if it was pushing £1.50 a litre to fuel it (currently paying £1.139 a litre for Tesco Momentum), back in October 13, I was paying out about £1.38 a litre for diesel, and premium unleaded would've been about £1.48 a litre.