Cold GTD vs Cold GTI Real MPG, Short Commute.

[fredgroves]

That will be because 5th and 6th are massively tall cruising gears, whereas he was probably still in 4th.

[remlapeel]

The 208 GTI will be faster.....it's a faster car. 0-60 in 6.6 or 6.3 depending on variation. So regardless of how much people think the GTD will keep up, it just won't. Just like it won't keep up with the golf GTI, which the 208 could do to 60. May lose after that mind you.

[ffrank]

I always seemed to attract the attention of Civic R-types with the DTUK box on - they were left for dust, Focus STs too (last shape, 225PS).

I haven't met any type-r's or st's yet

The 208 GTI will be faster.....it's a faster car. 0-60 in 6.6 or 6.3 depending on variation. So regardless of how much people think the GTD will keep up, it just won't. Just like it won't keep up with the golf GTI, which the 208 could do to 60. May lose after that mind you.

Well a diesel is proportionally faster in-gear than suggested by it's 0-60, so it's not that clear cut - especially up hill where more torque is needed to overcome gravity.

[mcmaddy]

The driver of the car has a lot to do with it too.

[andrewparker]

The driver of the car has a lot to do with it too.

So suppose you're ringing it's neck at 80mph+ in 5th, what next?

Christ, I like my GTD, on the roads around the Peak District today it was a blast, and plenty quick enough, but once past 70 - 80 mph it builds speed quite slowly. If there's a way to effect that then I'm all ears, but I suspect you're placing a bit too much importance on that little bit of extra torque. Torque is needed to overcome gravity, but weight plays a pretty important part too.

[mcmaddy]

80mph in 5th is hardly ringing it's neck and it picks up just fine even in 6th at 70-80mph. What mode do you run it in? I'm not saying it's you by saying it's the driver by the way 

[corgi]

Well a diesel is proportionally faster in-gear than suggested by it's 0-60, so it's not that clear cut - especially up hill where more torque is needed to overcome gravity.

But absolute torque is irrelevant because gearing is a torque reducer and where in the rev range and how widely it is spread are two of the other factors....

Honda S2000 163 lb/ft torque, Golf GTD 280 lb/ft... Honda S2000 the faster not by dint of having more torque, but (a) shorter gearing and (b) a wider rev range allowing the shorter gearing to be effective...

[GTDmike]

Hope that wasn't going down Snake pass

[fredgroves]

Anyone know what the gear ratios are for a manual GTD?

I've looked everywhere and can't find them

[ffrank]

Well a diesel is proportionally faster in-gear than suggested by it's 0-60, so it's not that clear cut - especially up hill where more torque is needed to overcome gravity.

But absolute torque is irrelevant because gearing is a torque reducer and where in the rev range and how widely it is spread are two of the other factors....

Honda S2000 163 lb/ft torque, Golf GTD 280 lb/ft... Honda S2000 the faster not by dint of having more torque, but (a) shorter gearing and (b) a wider rev range allowing the shorter gearing to be effective...

I don't disagree with you. I was just stating that the GTD will be closer to the pug in-gear than the 0-60 suggests, and secondly that going up hill the diesels torque will be of benefit.