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Offline RocketRossUK

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #10 on: 07 September 2014, 22:55 »
so do you in turn think it would make it quicker to 60mhp?
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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #11 on: 08 September 2014, 08:53 »
If you have a remap they can adjust the throttle curve and response. What would this do that your map can't?

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #12 on: 08 September 2014, 11:26 »
so do you in turn think it would make it quicker to 60mhp?

A 0-60 is more about mashing the pedal to the floor once the initial traction level has been sorted, so maybe the box might make a few hundredths of a second difference on a drag race?
It's in five and take driving you will notice the difference. In real world driving the box makes the car more eager and responsive.
Put it this way, on my GTI aside from the horrible noise it made I could tell no difference between normal and sport in the theottle menu modes but once the box was attached I could.
It won't turn a GTI into an R but it just makes it feel more like a GTI should.

If you have a remap they can adjust the throttle curve and response. What would this do that your map can't?
This is purely the pedal electronics which the remappers don't touch as it's a separate circuit. When I had my mk6 REVO'd I asked them if they could sharpen the throttle response and they said no, they'd done all they could.
Anybody who has driven a mk7 Polo GTI 1.8T will know how one of these boxes works as VW played about with the pedal electronics on these models and made it so much more fun to drive than other 1.8T's.
Google or YouTube the VW ad's for those cars and you'll see what I mean as they were a send up of the cars responses.
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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #13 on: 08 September 2014, 21:20 »

If you have a remap they can adjust the throttle curve and response. What would this do that your map can't?
This is purely the pedal electronics which the remappers don't touch as it's a separate circuit. When I had my mk6 REVO'd I asked them if they could sharpen the throttle response and they said no, they'd done all they could.
Anybody who has driven a mk7 Polo GTI 1.8T will know how one of these boxes works as VW played about with the pedal electronics on these models and made it so much more fun to drive than other 1.8T's.
Google or YouTube the VW ad's for those cars and you'll see what I mean as they were a send up of the cars responses.

Err, not sure i follow you there. I have had the throttle map adjusted twice by superchips. Of course the re maps adjust the throttle curve, its even a switchable option on a Revo map i believe.

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #14 on: 08 September 2014, 21:49 »
If you look at the top of your throttle pedal you'll see a plug in behind.
This is the throttle pedal circuit which is not related to the throttle map in the ECU.
There is dead play put in the pedal by VW that's still there after a remap.
You'll have to either trust me or not on this, I'm Not trying to sell you anything so don't care if you believe me either way.
I've had remaps and tuning boxes on cars going back 16 years which considering I change car every two years or less is a lot! I've been modifying VWs for nearly 30 years.

Whether the car is remapped or not these boxes make a difference.

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #15 on: 08 September 2014, 22:01 »
Ok, in the interest of the debate, the ecu knows where the top and bottom of the throttle pedal travel is. When the pedal is not pressed at all lets call that zero and when the pedal is pushed down as far as it can be lets call that 100. All the places in between are 1 to 99, the ecu get this info and opens the throttle. It may open it 30% for 10% of pedal travel, so a sharp response or it may open it 10% for 30% or travel, a soft response. What does the box do that's different to that?

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #16 on: 08 September 2014, 22:18 »
F##k knows, I've run out of fingers trying to work the sums out!!!
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It's an amplifier. So it will amplify the signal to the ECU
A fancy amplifier.
One I'd not be without.
Can't be any more scientific than that I'm afraid!
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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #17 on: 08 September 2014, 22:50 »
F##k knows, I've run out of fingers trying to work the sums out!!!
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It's an amplifier. So it will amplify the signal to the ECU
A fancy amplifier.
One I'd not be without.
Can't be any more scientific than that I'm afraid!

Fair enough, folks will draw their own conclusions, snake oil?

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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #18 on: 08 September 2014, 22:54 »
People are always sceptical about these until they actually try them for themselves and 9/10 don't want to remove them..  They are the hardest thing in the world to sell, but I agree with exon ian I wouldn't be without one on anything I drive
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Re: DTE pedal box
« Reply #19 on: 08 September 2014, 23:00 »
People are always sceptical about these until they actually try them for themselves and 9/10 don't want to remove them..  They are the hardest thing in the world to sell, but I agree with exon ian I wouldn't be without one on anything I drive

I am not surprised they are hard to sell if no one can explain what it actually does.