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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #20 on: 26 February 2014, 20:52 »
They should have made them all with the haldex system  :evil:

I'd disagree with that pretty strongly, seeing as the first thing Audi and Seat did with all their 4wd cars was remove the Haldex and rear driveshafts when they went racing  :evil:

As far as this thread goes, it sounds like it's down to setup issues.

I run 380bhp in a front wheel drive mk4 chassis, and in the dry I get full traction through second gear and upwards.

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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #21 on: 26 February 2014, 21:30 »
Well it's just a bit more powerful. It used to do it standard anyway. Just nowhere near as bad.

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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #22 on: 27 February 2014, 08:30 »
Like I said, it's a setup issue.

power is only a very small part of the car as an over all package.

As a road car, mine felt quite lairy with 230bhp from a ko3S. As I developed the chassis to handle more power, that 230bhp started to feel really rather slow as the chassis was more well equipped to deal with the power.

At 380bhp now I can use all the power in 2nd pretty much. You have to remember that driving is still a skill, you can't just mash your foot to the floorboards and expect it to do everything for you, you need to drive to suit the conditions of the road / track.

Handling wise, one of THE best things you can do on a mk4 is to fit LCR wishbones and hubs. These behave far better than the stock items with a much better camber curve through the range of movement, as well as giving more static camber and caster. Fitting a quicker steering rack from an LCR also does wonders for steering feel, and in turn, driver involvement.

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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #23 on: 27 February 2014, 10:13 »
Yeah I understand that.

I think I want too much from a diesel tbh. They just aren't quite the same, I'm sure they can be made to be much better but it's not worth it.

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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #24 on: 27 February 2014, 10:48 »
I'd disagree with that pretty strongly, seeing as the first thing Audi and Seat did with all their 4wd cars was remove the Haldex and rear driveshafts when they went racing

AHEM!  Nothing to do with the regs specifying no 4WD then?  :huh:
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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #25 on: 27 February 2014, 13:29 »
I couldn't care less, you're spoiling my argument Thomas   :tongue:

As far as haldex equipped cars go, you're better of with FWD for fast work. The haldex system fitted to this generation of car is too slow and unpredictable.

Proper 4wd with a solid connection is of course a different story.

Still, I have to disagree with those saying high power and FWD is pointless. It depends how you use it, and what you use it for :)

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Re: Is the handling genuinely this sh!t?
« Reply #26 on: 28 February 2014, 11:35 »
Proper 4wd with a solid connection is of course a different story.

Or with a dumb-assed viscous coupling that just reacts.  :tongue:
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