Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?

[Mr Savage]

In regards to the Edition 40. I reckon when it is released they may scrap the GTI PP in favor of the Edition 40 with a few extra horses, possibly 250bhp?

The Edition 40 due in a few years will probably be a detuned S3 engine with a bigger turbo if previous models are anything to go by. It would make sense to give it 240bhp but I don't think that's enough power increase to justify it over a GTI. I reckon they'll go 40 BHP over the standard GTI at 260BHP and aim it more towards the Megane RS.

I'm not confident they'll even do an Edition 40, what with the R being so close to the price bracket and with the Golf R Evo being announced (360bhp) then I don't think VW would consider it to be a viable gap in the market. The Edition 40 would be the same price as the R with out 4 wheel drive.

[2014GTi]

In regards to the Edition 40. I reckon when it is released they may scrap the GTI PP in favor of the Edition 40 with a few extra horses, possibly 250bhp?

When is the GTI's 40th anniversary?

[dubber36]

When is the GTI's 40th anniversary?
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2017. Plenty of time to keep saving. 

[2014GTi]

That's 4 years away mmm perfect timing to replace the GTI perhaps lol

[dubber36]

That's 4 years away mmm perfect timing to replace the GTI perhaps lol

3 years  Even your sig says it's 2014 now. 

[corgi]

Well it wi'll have to be 240 if it follows suit of the last two, doubt it will be the only Gti option available, maybe stick to 240 but crank up the torque to R levels and drop some weight

Torque and power are directly related... increase torque at particular revs and you will increase the power at the same revs.

HP = Torque(lbft) x RPM ÷ 5252

So without reducing the revs you can't keep the power the same and increase the torque

[GrahamFR]

Well it wi'll have to be 240 if it follows suit of the last two, doubt it will be the only Gti option available, maybe stick to 240 but crank up the torque to R levels and drop some weight

Torque and power are directly related... increase torque at particular revs and you will increase the power at the same revs.

HP = Torque(lbft) x RPM ÷ 5252

So without reducing the revs you can't keep the power the same and increase the torque

But you can have a higher bhp while keeping torque the same?

[corgi]

Only at higher revs - torque and power are directly related.

If you have 200lbft of torque at 5000 rpm you have about 190hp, the same torque but at 6000 means you have about 228hp... but if the torque is generated at 4000 you would have about 152hp.

The same torque in each case but different power outputs depending on revs...

[GrahamFR]

Only at higher revs - torque and power are directly related.

If you have 200lbft of torque at 5000 rpm you have about 190hp, the same torque but at 6000 means you have about 228hp... but if the torque is generated at 4000 you would have about 152hp.

The same torque in each case but different power outputs depending on revs...

i see...

So does this explain why the Cupra 280 has the same torque as the GTI and not the R or S3?

[corgi]

i see...

So does this explain why the Cupra 280 has the same torque as the GTI and not the R or S3?

yes, they must have different maps which means the Cupra generates it it power/torque at different revs