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Offline Jimmy Filth

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #20 on: 28 January 2014, 18:22 »
I'm currently torn between the R and the GTi Performance pack.  To be fair, both are only mildly spec'd with servicing, keyless entry and winter pack, although if I go for the GTi i'd have the DNS Pro.

I wanted to have it ordered this week, so I've got to make my decision soon.
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #21 on: 28 January 2014, 20:02 »
Quite an interesting thread this one, there are so many angles to look at it from.
I can think of literally dozens of things gazing into my crystal ball looking at resales etc and the marketing and direction VW will take.
Begs the question - where will the ED40 eventually squeeze in?!!!
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Offline Brenbo

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #22 on: 28 January 2014, 20:07 »
Now the Edition 40 GTI will be quite interesting regarding the Performance Pack on the GTI already provides such delights as 10bhp more, bigger brakes and e-diff.  What will they put in the Edition 40 to mark out as a special edition above the GTI PP. 

Will the Edition 40 make the difference in performance between a GTI and Golf R even less (not counting the 4WD of course). 

 

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #23 on: 28 January 2014, 20:18 »
Look at the Leon Cupra (which is available in a curious two versions making the lower spec one redundant in many ways) for the answer to likely power increases and engine type but it's the 'standard' options they'll put on the ED40 that will be curious and give the marketing people a challenge!!
Nobody bought 6Rs in any numbers but 7R's will be closer in price to the GTI PP with a massive power gain (on paper); get yourselves out of that little problem VW, bearing in mind they daren't upset GTI owners this early in the lifecycle by massively discounting the model or dropping the used values too much so that its unlikely existing GTI 7 owners would return to VW in a rush.
I'm wondering whether VW will end up saddled like SEAT were with the last generation Leon FR's in that the TDI was a cracking car that sold in big numbers with excellent resale values and nobody bought the petrol version as the GTI was more attractive to look at and the Cupra offered far more for your money than a TFSI or TSI FR petrol model. So almost nobody bought a petrol 2.0 FR despite it being hugely cheaper than the GTI cousin.
Here we have an attractively priced Cupra (give or take), a middle ground slightly overpriced GTI PP and a decently priced (comparatively) 7R.


The issue for me is I prefer the quicker spooling smaller turbo in the GTI PP (which can easily be increased in the power department anyway) and has a superbly sorted chassis as standard. But if we put £££££ into it then figures can be dressed up how you want them...
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #24 on: 28 January 2014, 21:02 »
With seemingly not much room between the GTI PP and the .:R for a possible ED40 to fit, and seeing that model runs that seem to be getting shorter and shorter, maybe the ED40 with 240PS will become the only GTI option? A bit like the runout models of the Mk2 etc.
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Offline GrahamFR

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #25 on: 28 January 2014, 21:05 »
Well it wi'll have to be 240 if it follows suit of the last two, doubt it will be the only Gti option available, maybe stick to 240 but crank up the torque to R levels and drop some weight
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Offline Jimmy Filth

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #26 on: 28 January 2014, 21:44 »
Maybe 4WD on the ED40? I'm not sure how much they can do before the price gets so close to the R it become pointless.
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #27 on: 28 January 2014, 22:05 »
Well I can say that if I was ordering my car again now, that I would have have been close to this same dilemma.

Assuming I could afford to run either and that the R wasn't any harsher in terms of ride quality then I would have probably gone for the R :)

As it stands now, by the time the R's really start appearing I will be 12 months closer to the next car, so all is good :D

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #28 on: 28 January 2014, 23:56 »
This comment from EVO's Golf R review sums it up for me "Although the R is only £2780 more expensive than the performance pack-equipped GTI, previous experience has suggested that 'R' Golfs often struggle to justify their supplements over their lesser rivals."
GTI with its VAQ (e-diff) has virtually no understeer, Haldex based systems often do.
The Golf R is no light car, so which do you prefer, a straight line performance car or a fun car in the corners? :)
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #29 on: 29 January 2014, 01:15 »
In regards to the Edition 40. I reckon when it is released they may scrap the GTI PP in favor of the Edition 40 with a few extra horses, possibly 250bhp?
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