question about stretch tyres

[jv]

The tyre manufacturer gives these guidelines (which despite your repeated 'it's not law' crap) which very quickly become enforceable as law (see above) and if their is one single element of doubt the onus will be on you to prove that your use of tyres outside of these guidelines is actually safe - you won't be able to do that will you?

Where would I find these? Falken 205/40/17 FK452 for example.
Nothing here http://falken-europe.com/tyres
Definitely nothing here - http://www.falkentyres-uk.com/

[andy_k]

i agree with accepting and not accepting them but that's also like making a fuss about some one having alloys you don't think suite there car tbh its just people butting wanted to be heard and start a pointless argument don't like them don't do it and leave us to do it in the way we do.

I think it was you that started getting all stampy footed when someone called you a bellend

No, it's nothing like alloys you don't like, no it's not a pointless argument because the 'anti stretch' posts have offered constructive posts containing factual information whereas the best you've managed is 'leave us alone'

Yeah, whatever.

[andy_k]

The tyre manufacturer gives these guidelines (which despite your repeated 'it's not law' crap) which very quickly become enforceable as law (see above) and if their is one single element of doubt the onus will be on you to prove that your use of tyres outside of these guidelines is actually safe - you won't be able to do that will you?

Where would I find these? Falken 205/40/17 FK452 for example.
Nothing here http://falken-europe.com/tyres
Definitely nothing here - http://www.falkentyres-uk.com/

Spec for the 453 here

http://falkentire.com/tires/car-tires/azenis-fk453 - click on the view sizes and specs whioch pretty much tells you what you can and cannot fit them on.

Presumably somewhere a similar spec sheet exists for your tyres. When I bought my Falkens, I got a warranty/certificate of conformity with them specifying which rims sizes were ok.

[jv]

That's the kind of nerdy spec I was after. Never been supplied with anything like that in many years of tyre buying!

[andy_k]

it does exist

Most manufacturers will have it if you (or anybody else) asks and there lies the problem - they have their arses covered and ignorance of those facts isn't really a defence when the sh!t has already hit the fan.

[Shizzle]

by saying when sh!t hits the fan you mean like in any normal situation a driver could be in.
So not so much that stretch tyres are bad and dangerous all you saying is you could end up in court if a accident occurs with these fitted so there not dangerous your just not covered don't really understand where your going with this tbh and why you have such a problem people were doing this in 80s and them banded steels were welded by them self didn't see that on the news banded steels stretched tyres is an old school new school thing some people just think if fitted you will die  or not 

[VW BUSH]

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/24937-stretched-tyres-are-they-legal-or-not/
quite a good read on the subject, like the FM rule use it a lot
(Sure this was linked here or on one of the other VW before)

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires_101/customizing/rim_wheel_width/
This shows rim ranges suitable for yoko tyres (found on plod site) so if you stick within this the tyres will be suitable for the wheels.
But then you have to make sure the wheels are within VW specification for the car and comply with how far the wheel sticks out from the car (UK regs), which would restrict you the barest stretch according to tyre manufacturers spec?

I would not run stretch tyres and risk getting shafted if something went wrong, but then I've not been cool for years
From all the info its clear there is a murky area you can get away with wheel/tyre mods providing nothing happens, then you could be fcked depending on the officer/circumstances/Insurer....

[andy_k]

by saying when sh!t hits the fan you mean like in any normal situation a driver could be in.
So not so much that stretch tyres are bad and dangerous all you saying is you could end up in court if a accident occurs with these fitted so there not dangerous your just not covered don't really understand where your going with this tbh and why you have such a problem people were doing this in 80s and them banded steels were welded by them self didn't see that on the news banded steels stretched tyres is an old school new school thing some people just think if fitted you will die  or not 

The sh!t hitting the fan is where your insurance company ask for an engineer's report in the case of an accident because you are running a car with what many people see as stupid/dangerous modifications - if the engineer comes to that decision then your insurance is void - fill in the rest of the story yourself.

Banded steels were common in the eighties (they actually date back to the thirties or earlier but nothing that old could ever be cool could it?), yes, and they got clamped down on because of crappy welding was seen as the cause of several fatal accidents.

I think from about 1986 onwards they were made legal again or rather not legislated against and if you want me to quote the law relating to them - have a look at regulation 100 of the Construction and Use regs - to paraphrase it 'all parts fitted to a vehicle are not likely to cause a danger to the user of the vehicle or other road users. Additionally, you will need to ensure that the wheels do not protrude from the wheel arches, or that modifications are made to the bodywork of the vehicle to ensure that the wheels do not protrude.'  Is that clear enough for you?

I have no issue with people modding cars, I have an issue with people so stupid that they think the law doesn't apply to them and so will push things to extremes because it 'looks cool'. These are the sort of bellends that end up with legislation being brought in which has an affect on all of us because governments never look at specifics, they just put a blanket ban on stuff.

[Shizzle]

there is no proof that stretched could cause danger making that statement useless tbh and yes if the wheel sticks out illegal mine doesn't so legal.

[andy_k]

You really aren't getting this are you?

Using a tyre outside of the manufacturer's (tried and tested) safety guidelines leave you open to all sorts of problems.

Whilst it may not be illegal to make such modifications as soon as your insurance company sees a way of not paying out they will grab it with both hands - that's how insurance companies work.

It won't be up to them to prove it's not safe. They will make that assumption because it 'looks' wrong. It will be up to you to prove it's safe and on that level you don't have a cat in hells chance. Stamping your feet and saying it's wikkid just won't cut it.

You are now telling us that the banded rims you use do not extrude beyond the wheel arches?

Pictures you've posted before show they do.

It's pretty much pointless talking to you about this because you ignore any advice you are given - as long as you feel safe, I guess that's it.