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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #20 on: 29 December 2013, 18:39 »
This same can of worms argument will be around until there are official tests done by a governing body to prove that it is dangerous, then  an actual black and white law will have to been written ,but I doubt this will ever happen as there are so many variables ,vehicles ,rims widths ,sizes/brands of tyre ,what can go with what ,its not worth the cost against catching a few people running outside the specs  :whistle:

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #21 on: 29 December 2013, 18:46 »
I'm not going to spout like i know anything about stretched tyres, however i'm almost certain that if anyone running them told their insurance company that they are fitted outside the tyre manufacturers "guidelines" then they wouldn't cover them? And if they didn't declare them like any other modification should be and god forbid one let go, they'd be up sh1t creek?
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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #22 on: 29 December 2013, 19:31 »
All mods declared,maybe I forgot to mention the tyres :embarrassed: got my winters on now anyway but I will check with the insurance to see what their view is before they go back on in the spring.

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #23 on: 29 December 2013, 19:32 »
All mods declared,maybe I forgot to mention the tyres :embarrassed: got my winters on now anyway but I will check with the insurance to see what their view is before they go back on in the spring.

Good man! Would be interesting to hear what they say?
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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #24 on: 29 December 2013, 19:38 »
Will let you all know what they say! out of interest has anyone on here already asked there insurance about this particular topic?

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #25 on: 29 December 2013, 19:54 »
When I was ringing around before renewal I did mention 2 one of the insurance company's about the tyres and they said it doesn't matter as it's not a law like having a load car they won't refuse you insurance because you annoy the neighbours it's not illegal so how can they refuse insurance yes it's not on the guidelines but it's not classed as dangerous or illegal.

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #26 on: 29 December 2013, 19:57 »
I love it when pensioners use words like bellend I find it hilarious ,makes them sound like a right err well bellend .
as said there is no actual law on stretch, only tyre manufacturers guidelines which is not the law, no one in the uk has ever been to court for runnining stretch as far as im aware  ,many many opinions out there most people talking a load of tosh and don't really know what they are spouting just jumping on the they are dangerous bandwagon with no actual proof to back them up,its really no more dangerous than running a standard tyre under/over inflated/sidewall damaged/bulges etc by people who don't care about there cars and there are millions of people in this country that do this,so a few bellends including my self running the stretch aint going to change that statistic.
Ive been testing my own stretch tyres as I too had doubts about their integrity  ,trying to force them off the rim on an actual disused runway at  silly speeds and guess what.......nothing


Tyre manufacturer's guidelines are effectively the law - you can't legally fit a tyre outside of those guidlines without falling foul of the construction and use regs which directly puts you in contravention of the Road Traffic Act - how illegal do you want it to be?

Loads of people have been given Fixed penalties for running defective tyres but I don't believe any have had the guts to take it to court to challenge it - they've just paid up. That's a lot different to 'there have been no prosecutions'

Lifted from another forum - posted by a traffic cop

1, Regarding wheel width, they must not protrude more than 30mm beyond the wheel arches. (Council Directive 78/549/EEC)

2, Regarding the fitting of the tyre "Each tyre fitted to the vehicle shall be of a nominal size appropriate to the wheel to which it is fitted." Sec16(4 The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001'. The fact that the fit was outside manufacturers recommendations should be very persuasive to convince a court that the tyre was not fitted in a manner suitable to qualify it as 'approved'.

3, Section 40A RTA 1988 states "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when...the condition of the motor vehicle...or of its accessories or equipment...is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person." Evidence to support this offence would include measurements of your wheel and tyre, and statements from the manufacturer or a tyre expert, indicating the potential risk of fitting outside their recommended parameters, namely, overheating, grip loss, unpredictable performance and behaviour etc etc.

4, If your vehicle was involved in a collision, especially one involving injury, where the cause led to the loss of control of your vehicle, dangerous driving may be considered, especially strengthened by Sec 2A(2) where "A person is also to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of section 1 and 2 above if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous."

In each case the facts would be able to be presented to court for their consideration, suffice to say if I saw your vehicle on the road with the tyres you describe, I'd certainly be looking into the S40A RTA offence, Number 3) on the list, supported by the offences evidenced at 1) and 2).

I'd also be looking at the no insurance angle. What have you told your insurers btw?


A lot of it is going to end up being down to the individual copper's opinion but they have plenty of scope for hitting you with 12 points at the side of the road if they are in the mood or bogging you down in a whole heap of VOSA inspection related hassle if they are in the mood.

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #27 on: 29 December 2013, 20:07 »
If the rim protrudes from the arch, (the reason most people use stretched tyres to ensure no arch rubbing) this is an MOT failure and Police can issue an enforcement for 're-MOT, which it would fail due to this. For that reason, you are invalidating your MOT if it's protruding, thus voiding your insurance also. I'm 31 by the way, not a pensioner, just pointing  out that in affect, you are driving without insurance (which was illegal last time I checked) and yes, it is dangerous.

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #28 on: 29 December 2013, 20:23 »
Sorry sean that was aimed at old man river andy k,forgot it was you who started the name calling so grow up your 31 ffs, that's it! anyone want to buy a set of  9"schmidts?

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Re: question about stretch tyres
« Reply #29 on: 29 December 2013, 20:25 »
Just because some of us have stretched tyres doesn't mean the rim protrudes the arch there for no mot failure.
It seems this argument is based of people running crazy stretch just because I have a very slight stretch downs make me the same as all the people running stupid stretch with stupid camber.

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