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Offline Andrew@DTUK

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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #70 on: 27 January 2014, 11:14 »
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #71 on: 27 January 2014, 11:19 »
The point is that the results from different dynos will differ...

In fact even results from the same dyno will differ on different days (dependent on conditions)...

So, dyno results should only ever be used for comparison. So, you go for a day at the dyno, you run the standard car, log the results, make some changes, log the results and compare... and so on.

The next time you go, you should make a run as a base and work from there.

The absolute numbers generated are for pointless willy waving... the thing you're really after is to verify  any improvements made due to changes...


exactly, the point of posting the graphs was to show that the results are consistent between 2 different dyno's

Andrew, I wasn't suggesting otherwise... just clarifying for others...
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #72 on: 27 January 2014, 13:19 »
The point is that the results from different dynos will differ...

In fact even results from the same dyno will differ on different days (dependent on conditions)...

So, dyno results should only ever be used for comparison. So, you go for a day at the dyno, you run the standard car, log the results, make some changes, log the results and compare... and so on.

The next time you go, you should make a run as a base and work from there.

The absolute numbers generated are for pointless willy waving... the thing you're really after is to verify  any improvements made due to changes...


exactly, the point of posting the graphs was to show that the results are consistent between 2 different dyno's

Andrew, I wasn't suggesting otherwise... just clarifying for others...

yeah i know that  :smiley: were both singing from the same hymn sheet :)
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #73 on: 16 March 2014, 09:35 »
Am really trying to resist the desire for extra oomph / driveability :o

If you do give in, you'll wonder why you waited so long, it's like you swapped your 2.0TDI for 3.0TDI.
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #74 on: 16 March 2014, 14:33 »
Any concerns over clutch longevity?
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #75 on: 16 March 2014, 14:56 »
Any concerns over clutch longevity?

Not for me, the way I drive my car and the intended length of ownership.

My Dad's MK5 GT 170TDI had 123k miles on it when he traded it in, and the last 50k miles were done with a TDI-tuning box which bumped it up to 200PS/410Nm. DTUK box.

Unless you're an absolute loon behind the wheel, you'll be unlikely to be getting anywhere near using the extra 120Nm of torque more than 5% of the time. I haven't experienced any clutch related smells to date. The TDI clutches have always been really heavy duty.
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #76 on: 17 March 2014, 16:46 »
we took the Skoda back to the dyno again this weekend, it now has 3,800 miles on the clock and it seams to be loosening up nicely..


This should be of interest to a few of you :)


This run was using map 3 plus 1...



240bhp and 372.4lbft / 505nm!! at 2625rpm

we then ran it on the usual map 4 plus 1.



237bhp and 370.7lbft / 504nm at 2306rpm
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #77 on: 17 March 2014, 17:34 »
240bhp and 372.4lbft / 505nm!! at 2625rpm
Ay caramba   :laugh:

Edit - Hi Andrew, what do the 1-4 + 1 settings correspond to on the unit, or are these just totally different mappings?
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #78 on: 17 March 2014, 19:02 »
What's the clutch rated at for the manual ?

No idea, but I would imagine it's more resilient than the DSG version - less to go wrong with it at least. I'm sure i've read somewhere that the DSG is rated for 450Nm

It would be interesting to see if the GTD manual has the same clutch build as the 204PS 3.0TDI manual with 450Nm - Tiptronic goes up to 245PS (580Nm) in the A5/A6/A7, but the manual doesn't. I wonder if that's down to Audi thinking that everyone driving the exec range of their cars will want a DSG or limits of the manual clutch (plus whatever % overbuild they add in for assured longevity). If the GTD does have the same clutch as the 3.0 204PS version, then you're only asking an extra 11% from stock rating to get 500Nm.

When you look around on the net, it seems Fiat/Alfa are the biggest for reported clutch slippage when fitted with tuning boxes, and there aren't exactly many of those examples. With VAG having a far bigger range of engine outputs above 150PS in the diesel range than Fiat group, are they more or less likely to have a few heavy duty clutches to suit most of the range rather than one per output for the 170/177/184/190 2.0TDI and the 204PS 3.0TDI?

How you treat your clutch normally will have a big part to play in the longevity even without adding a box. Ride that clutch at junctions (maybe less of an issue for some who used to before autohold) and you'll be lucky to see 50k miles from it. Treat a clutch nicely and no reason you couldn't see 200k miles out of some of them (with stock power, admittedly).

I haven't seen any clutch slip yet, accelerating hard up a steep hill for 1/2 a mile. Delivery of the power is probably a big factor too, progressive development of the power has to be easier on the relevant parts than going from a nothing to everything development. I don't push into the clicky part of the accelerator generally, it just feels so un-natural to do so.

Looking at Andrew's latest 3+1 Dyno, when you reach 200PS output, torque curve dips to 485Nm max, and the torque really starts to tail off above 225PS output/3500rpm. You'll not be pushing the full 500Nm for long when you floor it.
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Re: EA288 2.0 TDI 184PS Development thread..
« Reply #79 on: 17 March 2014, 19:23 »
240bhp and 372.4lbft / 505nm!! at 2625rpm
Ay caramba   :laugh:

Edit - Hi Andrew, what do the 1-4 + 1 settings correspond to on the unit, or are these just totally different mappings?

There's 4 maps on the box, plus 1 relates to the fine tuning :)
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