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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #110 on: 19 September 2013, 22:26 »
Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.

Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).

My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO
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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #111 on: 19 September 2013, 22:37 »
Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.

Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).

Can someone answer me this question? Has BMW resolved the rear wheel drive and adverse weather performance or is that just being ignored when anyone reviews them and focusing just on the obviously good performance it can deliver.

Reason I say this is the company car park in last few winters when snowed has had many a stuck BMW and there is even colleagues who have left cars at home in these conditions and state that would never order one again.

Know it does not snow all the time, but descriptions of 'fun' in wet also is something I really would not personally be seeking.




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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #112 on: 19 September 2013, 23:44 »
Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.

Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).

My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO

I actually agree, id take a gtd over any of the 1 series diesels but id try and be objective about it first. Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.

I wouldn't go out of my way to defend my m135i and dont for one minute think its the be all and end all.

Yes it is crap in the horrendous wet and snow but a set of winter wheels and tyres sorts that out, which you can sell on afterwards plus saves the really expensive summer tyres.
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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #113 on: 20 September 2013, 06:30 »
its not nonsense at all to be looking at all aspects of ownership including GFV. personally when I'm looking at a car I look at everything, price, options, looks etc etc and future residuals. no point in buying a car that in three years time will be worth jack s4it. it's maybe not important to you rob but to others it is and to say someone is talking nonsense because you think it is is quite frankly rude.
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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #114 on: 20 September 2013, 07:38 »
Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.

It's very common on one make car forums, its a phenomenon known as 'Blonkers'

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blonkers

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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #115 on: 20 September 2013, 07:47 »
Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.

Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).

My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO

I actually agree, id take a gtd over any of the 1 series diesels but id try and be objective about it first. Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.

I wouldn't go out of my way to defend my m135i and dont for one minute think its the be all and end all.

Yes it is crap in the horrendous wet and snow but a set of winter wheels and tyres sorts that out, which you can sell on afterwards plus saves the really expensive summer tyres.

I feel I am very objective and made the effort to both look at and research all the marquee brands on offer to me and all comments on other cars are borne from that and also remember we are usually talking fine divides as in reality all of us would be pretty happy with any of these cars if were only option and live with the perceived shortcomings as I have done my self with the S Line suspension, I still love the car but at times I do cuss it  :smiley:

If I was not being objective and listened to those in office who have said "you dropping to a VW?" then I would still be in an Audi, but genuinely think from all the research and showroom leg work that the MK7 is the best car out there at my price.

With regards BMW then I have been in a few colleagues and have seen their winter difficulties and mentions of 'fun' in the wet and package all that up and despite still obviously being a marguee car then just not for me.

 Lease drivers are the most unlikely to invest in winter tyres and despite it making a huge amount of sense it is also not really a British Culture to buy store and swap them each winter, imagine 99% will just jump in same car with same tyres all year round.

That is not to say the Golf will not have own issues in winter, my Quattro just gets me moving so never stuck but I still have to be uber careful due to not changing to winter tyres.

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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #116 on: 20 September 2013, 07:54 »
Residuals are important because on a new car depreciation is by far the highest cost of ownership for the average miler, dwarfing fuel cost differences. I don't think of buying a car like buying a TV. I feel like i'm borrowing it for 3 years and ask myself how much it will cost to borrow it, because no one keeps a car for 12 years these days to run it into the ground.

I wouldn't consider a car I wouldn't be happy driving, just because it has excellent residuals, but it is a consideration I would put a lot of thought into when considering my shortlist. Better cars usually have better residuals so you're not in the position where you would put yourself into a crap car because it holds its value well.

I think about absolutely everything when i'm going to spend £26k on a car. The car itself - how does it drive/look? How well equipped is it at standard spec? Whta extras would I consider essential and how much are they going to cost me? Is the insurance going to be daft? Will it cause me to wince at the pumps due to it's thirst for fuel? For me the GTD was the best overall package, cheap to run comparative to it's RRP, drives well, very well equipped as standard (I felt no need to tick the options box). Couldn't want much more than that out of a car. A3 was up there for similar reasons but fell short on standard equipment, no availability of the 184TDI engine at time of ordering the GTD and slightly superior interior quality/look (S-line) in the A3 didn't tip the balance in it's favour.

Runflat tyres are my biggest bugbear on BMWs. They spend so much time and effort trying to get 50:50 weight distribution etc for their handling and then go and put Fred Flintstone tyres on and ruin ride comfort - why do they do that? No-one likes them, they ride horribly and are disproportionately expensive. If you must do away with the spare then surely self sealers are the way to go.
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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #117 on: 20 September 2013, 09:26 »
Residuals are important because on a new car depreciation is by far the highest cost of ownership for the average miler, dwarfing fuel cost differences. I don't think of buying a car like buying a TV. I feel like i'm borrowing it for 3 years and ask myself how much it will cost to borrow it, because no one keeps a car for 12 years these days to run it into the ground.

I wouldn't consider a car I wouldn't be happy driving, just because it has excellent residuals, but it is a consideration I would put a lot of thought into when considering my shortlist. Better cars usually have better residuals so you're not in the position where you would put yourself into a crap car because it holds its value well.

I think about absolutely everything when i'm going to spend £26k on a car. The car itself - how does it drive/look? How well equipped is it at standard spec? Whta extras would I consider essential and how much are they going to cost me? Is the insurance going to be daft? Will it cause me to wince at the pumps due to it's thirst for fuel? For me the GTD was the best overall package, cheap to run comparative to it's RRP, drives well, very well equipped as standard (I felt no need to tick the options box). Couldn't want much more than that out of a car. A3 was up there for similar reasons but fell short on standard equipment, no availability of the 184TDI engine at time of ordering the GTD and slightly superior interior quality/look (S-line) in the A3 didn't tip the balance in it's favour.

Runflat tyres are my biggest bugbear on BMWs. They spend so much time and effort trying to get 50:50 weight distribution etc for their handling and then go and put Fred Flintstone tyres on and ruin ride comfort - why do they do that? No-one likes them, they ride horribly and are disproportionately expensive. If you must do away with the spare then surely self sealers are the way to go.

I couldn't agree with you more MH, GFV is a huge factor in my considerations, I work hard(ish) for my money and want to be sure that if I am throwing it down the toilet on depreciation I am getting something special.

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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #118 on: 20 September 2013, 09:47 »
Can someone answer me this question? Has BMW resolved the rear wheel drive and adverse weather performance or is that just being ignored when anyone reviews them and focusing just on the obviously good performance it can deliver.

Reason I say this is the company car park in last few winters when snowed has had many a stuck BMW and there is even colleagues who have left cars at home in these conditions and state that would never order one again.

Know it does not snow all the time, but descriptions of 'fun' in wet also is something I really would not personally be seeking.

I never had this problem with my 58-plate 123d with the e-diff even in some appalling weather on the standard 3rd Gen run flats... it could be quite fun in slippery conditions; however, the gf's 56-plate 320d (no e-diff) was pathetic...

So of the much documented (and imo) exaggerated issue with BMWs in poor weather I suspect much is down to poor driving, and the rest down to the lack of e-diff - things like tyres being equal...

As for the runflats, the early cars were poor. After the facelift for the 1-Series, the spring and damper rates were adjusted (in fact M-Sports gained much better dampers) and the next generation of run-flats appeared at about the same time.

The ride in my 123d (I chose 17" wheels for the better ride with no real loss in the handling/grip stakes) was acceptable...
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Re: WTF!!!!!! GTD delayed by another 5 months
« Reply #119 on: 20 September 2013, 20:22 »
With regards to GFV, what I mean is that its only relevant if you keep the car for the full term, which I never do. Also it doesn't reflect what the car is actually worth, just the minimum you could get for it. Normally you will get more selling privately??? Fair enough its nice to know that you have that in the bank but in reality there are loads of different factors to consider when selling the car so it doesn't mean all that much.

My GTD isn't great at all in the snow either...

All I'm saying is try to be objective chaps, yes this is a Golf forum, yes the GTi/D is great, so are other cars.

And if I see any GTI/D's on the road I will wave to you all from far far far infront  :wink:
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