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Offline Skinnee D

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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #520 on: 20 January 2014, 17:50 »
Back up to 45mpg today. It's no warmer than yesterday, but it's not raining and oil temp monitoring didn't indicate a hint of regenning.
MH - what change do you notice in oil temp during a regen?  Would appreciate knowing as I've failed to figure this out.  Thanks. :smiley:

When the car has decided it wants a regen before it is up to temp (because it really needs to), you will find that the oil gets up to 80C as quickly as normal (6.5/7 miles), but 80 to 90C takes a lot longer - I assume the DPF is pulling heat away from the engine to forcibly start the process. This is the forced/active regen.

When the car is well up to temp and running above 94C (and I have seen up to 101C), it is definitely regenning. If you are on a journey long enough to satisfy the full DPF regen process, then the temp drops back down to 93C, even down to 90C. This is the passive regen.
Thanks MH :smiley:  Will have a good look now and see what mine's doing.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #521 on: 20 January 2014, 20:20 »
Managed 49mpg tonight on a 35 mile round trip consisting of 4 shorter journeys, mainly at 70mph. 2 sets of regens were going on - the second leg of 9 miles on a fully warm engine, and the third leg, around 11 miles, also on a warm engine. Temps up to 98C on the second leg, settled down to 95C when I reached the mother-in-law's house and the fans were blaring. Third leg was happy to sit at 95/96C, the odd stoppage at lights with 1000rpm idling and non-availability of stop-start on the third leg confirmed regen was still happening. I was in the early 50s on the second leg, the third dropped it to 49 and it stayed there for the rest of the journey.

The biggest difference between this car and the Scirocco seems to be it's reluctance to run warm generally and be passively regenning all the time. The GTD seems to want to regen in batches, presumably to keep official CO2 and NOx emissions lower on the tests e.g. rather than doing 120g CO2/Km all the time, it would rather have 80% running on something like 109g and 20% (when regenning) running on something like 130g CO2/Km - ensuring that regens don't occur during cycle testing. Running a little cooler reduces NOx emissions, and the limits of NOx emissions for diesel cars have reduced a lot from Euro 5 to Euro 6 standards.

It all seems a bit of a "pull the wool over your eyes" exercise as far as CO2 emissions testing goes. The car isn't combusting diesel any more efficiently to  reduce soot compared to the previous gen, VW just ensure that they perform their emissions tests on an empty DPF.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #522 on: 20 January 2014, 20:27 »
I left work tonight with a cold engine, and after waiting for a minute or two for the heaters to clear the condensation, drove the usual 2 miles to the M1. At that point Since Start was registering 29mpg average. As soon as I got on to the motorway, I reset Since Start and the average leaped to 50mpg. Those cold starts have a major impact on average mpg, more so than on my previous Mk6 GTD.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #523 on: 20 January 2014, 20:43 »
I left work tonight with a cold engine, and after waiting for a minute or two for the heaters to clear the condensation, drove the usual 2 miles to the M1. At that point Since Start was registering 29mpg average. As soon as I got on to the motorway, I reset Since Start and the average leaped to 50mpg. Those cold starts have a major impact on average mpg, more so than on my previous Mk6 GTD.

Yep, the first miles of warm up are by far the thirstiest. If I could just have my car at operatig temp for the whole of my 12 mile commute, i'd be achieving 67mpg. We went through this a while back (on this thread I think) and I broke down the mpg for the first 4, 8 and 12 miles of my commute. Basically the first 33% of my commute uses 41% of the total fuel used in my commute.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #524 on: 20 January 2014, 20:48 »
Interesting. My car is garaged overnight, so there's probably some residual heat left in the engine the following morning, which may help it reach operating temperature a little sooner.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #525 on: 20 January 2014, 20:50 »
Interesting. My car is garaged overnight, so there's probably some residual heat left in the engine the following morning, which may help it reach operating temperature a little sooner.

Overnight it'll be as warm as the garage - 8 to 10 hours it will have cooled, you might be talking a 5C advantage at most over someone who leaves theirs outside.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #526 on: 20 January 2014, 21:10 »
Mine has started to regen again, which I haven't noticed for a while. I wonder if it's because I am having to drive it slower due to road conditions? Also, pumped up the tyres yesterday and today's fuel consumption is shocking  :angry:
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #527 on: 20 January 2014, 21:14 »
I'm shocked how low some of your mpg figures are, I can only concluded that the GTD engine is taking longer to open up. Anybody done over 10k miles yet?
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #528 on: 20 January 2014, 21:17 »
I'm shocked how low some of your mpg figures are, I can only concluded that the GTD engine is taking longer to open up. Anybody done over 10k miles yet?

My dad is on 12k miles, had his 1st service at 9.5k miles and his is the same as it has ever been - a solid 47mpg average.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #529 on: 22 January 2014, 19:56 »


Just after work very short commute back home, I never seem to break 50 mpg barrier for the longest time. My commute mainly consists of some mixture of A and B roads, average speed of 17 mph pretty much tells the whole story.

Don't know what I could be doing wrong but I would love to see 55+ at least once.