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Offline Bill_the_Bear

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #60 on: 25 July 2013, 13:23 »
What I'd really like to know is how the Performance Pack may help put all the power down off the mark compared to the standard GTI? From what I've read I think it might.

Surely only if one wheel has less grip than the other?  If they both have grip, or both do not then would it make a difference?

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #61 on: 25 July 2013, 16:08 »
What I'd really like to know is how the Performance Pack may help put all the power down off the mark compared to the standard GTI? From what I've read I think it might.

Surely only if one wheel has less grip than the other?  If they both have grip, or both do not then would it make a difference?

Given the GTI is front wheel drive and has more than enough torque to defeat the grip of both front tyres, there will be little difference between a standard and performance pack GTI until they reach the speed where they are no longer traction limited.

Then, depending on the relative power/torque curves the Perf Pack should pull away... but looking at their relative 0-60 times a difference of 0.1 seconds... about 8 feet, just over half a car length.

The limited slip diff will have little effect in a drag race but should be a big help in and getting out of corners where there is a difference in grip across the front axle (mainly due to weight transfer across the car), then you should be able to make use of more power sooner because the diff will deliver power to the wheel with more grip when the one with the lesser grip breaks traction...

I don't know how much better the mechanical lsd is than the abs/software based XDS+
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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #62 on: 25 July 2013, 16:42 »
I don't know how much better the mechanical lsd is than the abs/software based XDS+

Gotta assume its a lot better right?  One system delivers full power where needed, the other cuts power to aid cornering.  Must be light and day.  Question is how often does the situation when you'll actually need it arise?

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #63 on: 25 July 2013, 16:49 »
Just over 1/2 car length, that'll do me thanks  :smiley:

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #64 on: 25 July 2013, 17:00 »
I don't know how much better the mechanical lsd is than the abs/software based XDS+

Gotta assume its a lot better right?  One system delivers full power where needed, the other cuts power to aid cornering.  Must be light and day.  Question is how often does the situation when you'll actually need it arise?

You'd hope so, given what is being charged for it  :wink:

My understanding of XDS+ is that it doesn't cut power but modulates the power using the braking system but works in conjunction with the traction control which may well cut the power...

I guess the situation will not arise all that often - depending on the type of driving you do. Useful on the track and, I suspect, of limited use in some situations on the road... I remember in my Integra Type-R(s) that the (torsen) lsd was helpful in pulling out of side roads quickly - much less wheel spin - but of very limited value in the snow...

The plate type lsd on my mate's rally car; however, is much more progressive and is very useful in the snow...
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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #65 on: 25 July 2013, 17:02 »
Just over 1/2 car length, that'll do me thanks  :smiley:

Better not take a passenger then (or if you do only a thin one) as that could turn the tables the other way  :laugh:
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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #66 on: 25 July 2013, 17:09 »
My understanding of XDS+ is that it doesn't cut power but modulates the power using the braking system but works in conjunction with the traction control which may well cut the power...

Yeah thats what I meant by cut power.  Any use of the brakes is cutting power from what could be delivered even if it ultimately delivers more than would be possible without the brakes.  Both the e-diff and XDS+ are designed to improve the cornering but the by product of one of them is reduction in power delivered and the other is redistribution of full power.

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #67 on: 27 July 2013, 12:53 »
What Car September 2013

1st BMW 135i Auto (thrilling handling) £32,500
2nd Golf GTI DSG PP (Not the vivid driving tool some want) £29,000
3rd A250 (poor ride & gearbox) £29,000

BMW 0-60 4.9
Golf 0-60 6.8
Merc 0-60 6.9

30-70 through gears

BMW 4.1
Merc 4.3
Golf 5.3

Lots of other in-gear times if you want it?
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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #68 on: 27 July 2013, 17:50 »
What Car September 2013

1st BMW 135i Auto (thrilling handling) £32,500
2nd Golf GTI DSG PP (Not the vivid driving tool some want) £29,000
3rd A250 (poor ride & gearbox) £29,000

BMW 0-60 4.9
Golf 0-60 6.8
Merc 0-60 6.9

30-70 through gears

BMW 4.1
Merc 4.3
Golf 5.3

Lots of other in-gear times if you want it?

They look more like GTD figures, maybe the DSG really slows it down  :sad:, can't think why there figures are so much slower than all the other reviews/tests?
Cancelled GTI, M135i beast mode.

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Re: Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60
« Reply #69 on: 27 July 2013, 19:20 »
Yes, versus 6.5 in Autocar from last week.

In fact looking at the number plates its the same car!

And, Autocar's 30-70 was 5.9 versus What Car 5.3
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