Manual 0-60 vs. DSG 0-60

[matchboy]

0-60 times are effectively meaningless in day-to-day driving...

I disagree.  Yes, the 30-70 acceleration is more important, or even 70-100 on the motorway, however you can't disregard the 0-60 time - there are plenty of opportunities to utilise a car's acceleration from a standing start.

And it doesn't matter what car you're driving, if you're beaten by a Corsa then you need to go back to the drawing board! 

[Bill_the_Bear]

And it doesn't matter what car you're driving, if you're beaten by a Corsa then you need to go back to the drawing board! 

 

Reminds me of my friend's Chevrolet Matiz, a 0.8L car that I don't think has a 0-60 time since it can never get there.  Was 3 of us in it going up a gentle incline once and it just went slower and slower.  Really did think it was going to be get out and push time!

[matchboy]

Reminds me of my friend's Chevrolet Matiz, a 0.8L car that I don't think has a 0-60 time since it can never get there.  Was 3 of us in it going up a gentle incline once and it just went slower and slower.  Really did think it was going to be get out and push time!

I can beat that - my first car was a Fiat Panda - 750cc - I literally could walk faster! 

[KyleB]

Are there any 50-70 comparison times for the GTI or GTD? I'd be interested in both.

Definitely think there's a place for measuring performance in 0-60 though, it jus shows you the raw acceleration. Obviously you can't base a whole judgment on 0-60 but I think it's more relevant to everyday users than the Nurbergring or other lap times

[monkeyhanger]

Are there any 50-70 comparison times for the GTI or GTD? I'd be interested in both.

Definitely think there's a place for measuring performance in 0-60 though, it jus shows you the raw acceleration. Obviously you can't base a whole judgment on 0-60 but I think it's more relevant to everyday users than the Nurbergring or other lap times

On the German website there are 80-120kmph (approx 51mph - 77mph) acceleration times in 4th and 5th for GTI and GTD.

In a GTD, 4th/5th gear 80-120km is 6.0s and 7.5s respectively.

In a GTI its 5.0s and 6.0s.

In a Scirocco 2.0TSI 210PS (same engine as MK6 GTI) it is 6.0s and 7.5s, same as the MK7 GTD - that 10PS and a lot more torque has gone a long way.

Initial torque surge does seem to punish the TDI to get the power down off the line - very easy to overcook a 170TDI PD, less so for a CR unit, but not impossible.

The MK5 170TDI GT was 0.6s slower than the Audi TT TDI with the same engine and quattro (which was standard). The TT weighed more and it was only 0.3s behind a MK5 GTI 200PS on 0-62

[corgi]

Ok so what is an effective measure of performance if not 0-60?

There are many 30-70 through the gears (the Golf GTI should not be handicapped by traction on this one), 50-70 in a single gear, 70-100, time exposed to danger (TED) etc.

All of these reflect more common day-to-day driving scenarios than a drag race from the lights (unless you wear your baseball cap backwards and hang around out of town burger restaurants at night)....

What's relevant to one driver/car combination might not be to another e.g. there was an advert when the Seat Ibiza TDI Cupra (or whatever) came out comparing its 50-70 time in 5th with that of a 911GT3, the Seat was, according to the ad, faster on this measure... no mention of the fact that your 911GT3 driver could be doing that split in 2nd, 3rd or 4th gears... all of which would have been faster than the Ibiza (much faster)...

Given that the GTI is a relatively high powered front wheel drive car and therefore traction limited, I'd have thought that you'd have picked a measure where the layout does not unduly impact the performance...

[Bill_the_Bear]

Corgi I think you are over thinking this a bit (normally something I'm guilty off as the lads here occasionally remind me!).

While I agree 0-60 is not the be all and end all, it is the de facto performance statistic.  Performance is far too subjective to be measured by a single statistic, and I don't think 0-60 is intended to be a "real world" test as such, but rather it is a way of comparing cars objectively.  Rather than replacing it with something else we just need to avoid becoming too obsessed with the 0-60 as it is.

[matchboy]

All of these reflect more common day-to-day driving scenarios than a drag race from the lights (unless you wear your baseball cap backwards and hang around out of town burger restaurants at night)....

I neither wear baseball caps nor hang around burger joints at night - but if someone pulls up next to me and wants a cheeky race off the lights for a bit of fun then I'm more than willing to oblige - obviously only up to the speed limit - most of the time the other person just wants to see how fast the car goes from a standing start anyway.  Granted, this doesn't happen very often but still.

I'm sure the motoring world should bow to your knowledge corgi but bottom line is that performance stats are always measured and defined by the 0-60 time first - that's just the way it is.  Saying to someone my 30-70 time is 5 seconds doesn't have the same ring to it 

[Bill_the_Bear]

obviously only up to the speed limit

Yes.  Obviously.  Let it be known from now until forever that no one here exceeds the speed limit.  We're actually physically unable to keep the throttle open when that speedo hits 70.

Just so there is no doubt.

[Hawaii-Five-O]

All good fun this debate.

My personal view, as others, is that the 0-60 time is a benchmark for comparing vehicles. However in the real world 30-50 and 50-70 times show how potent your car really is. So, big torque figures will help enormously. It's great news that the new GTI has such beefy torque for a petrol engine. Will help see off previously potent turbo diesels Ha Ha

What I'd really like to know is how the Performance Pack may help put all the power down off the mark compared to the standard GTI? From what I've read I think it might.