GTI & GTD official MPG

[Sootchucker]

Errr.....don't think I ever said I was obsessed over mpg ?

My current Scirocco TDI doesn't actually achieve the published figures, but then I never thought it would, and it doesn't worry me one bit, especially as I drive it quite "enthusiastically". The question was more whether the GTD will give me similar economy with 18" alloys that my TDI Rocco does with 18s. If it does, I'll be well happy, as the Rocco gives me a average 45 mpg without having to worry how I drive it.

If the GTD gives me the same economy despite it being more powerful and thus not having to "nanny" it to get a consumption figure that I'd be delighted with, then the GTD will be even more the perfect car for me than I already currently think it is.

[matchboy]

Each to their own I suppose!  Personally, I fully intend to use the car as it was intended - and not give a toss about consumption.  Gotta fill up at some point, I'd rather fill up one extra time per month and have had enjoyed my driving!

Perhaps we're talking cross purposes.  I'm not going to drive any differently to how I do now.  I'm not talking about teasing every last mpg from it.  But just because of that doesn't mean I'd be happy to see 20 mpg.

Don't worry, you won't!  From my experience you'll see 10 less than what VW state, so with the GTI you'll get 37mpg - which is pretty decent!

[DougL]

Don't worry, you won't!  From my experience you'll see 10 less than what VW state, so with the GTI you'll get 37mpg - which is pretty decent!

Agreed, which is also the stated urban mpg for the GTI which is usually what I get as an average for mixed driving. If I can get 37 day to day and 40+ on longer runs not racing it then I'll be happy. I forget what the Autocar touring mpg was on test but I think it was in the 40s.

[CraigW]

Yes and that's your choice so you have to live with whatever the costs of running the car are. There's no getting round it.

Perhaps I'm getting confused.  I don't really understand what your saying here.  Are you saying its irrelevant what the mpg is we should just live with it?  I don't think that would wash with any other aspect of the car.  Its irrelevant what the torque is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the reliability is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the colour is we should just live with it?  Those are all key aspects of the car, and so is the mpg.

Why must the mpg be considered as not really part of the car, just something you have to deal with?

Or am I misunderstanding what your saying?  Apologies if I am.

Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.

Reliabilty is a completely different argument. I would expect my car to be 100% reliable and if not then i would be taking it back to get sorted. If you go into a dealership complaining that your not getting the mpg you expected what do you expext the dealership to do?

Colour choice? I don't see how that fits into this debate. That is your personal choice and there is zip that can be done if you don't like it 

[JoeGTI]

Last weekend, I took my new MK7 GTI on an extended spin on the Motorway, Galway to Dublin and back (about 265 miles round trip).

The car averaged approx 32mpg on that trip.

Having said that, I was being slightly bold and cruised in excess of the speed limit for the vast majority of the trip (85mph approx).

I'd expect the MPG to be slightly better if my right foot was a little less heavy.

[Bill_the_Bear]

Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.

Mate, we're talking cross purposes then!

I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise.  I just want to see that the car does what is advertised.  Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than.  If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp.  Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...

[matchboy]

Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.

Mate, we're talking cross purposes then!

I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise.  I just want to see that the car does what is advertised.  Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than.  If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp.  Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...

You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10.  That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!

[monkeyhanger]

You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10.  That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!

That will disappoint Bill : 47mpg minus 10 = 37mpg. 20% less than published combined figures seems to be the norm for MK7 Golfs (both TSI and TDI across the engine range), 6% less for me and my Scirocco right now, suggesting to me that the published 20% gains of the MK7 are largely sh!te.

[CraigW]

Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.

Mate, we're talking cross purposes then!

I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise.  I just want to see that the car does what is advertised.  Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than.  If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp.  Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...

You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10.  That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!

Exactly

[Bill_the_Bear]

Guys, I don't recall saying I expected to get 47 mpg.   I've been consistently saying the exact opposite of this.

What I said was I expected to get some reasonable level below 47... lets say 37.  Getting less than 37 = bad.  Getting more than 37 = pleasantly surprised.  Isn't that what this tread is about?

I only posted in this tread because I disagreed with the idea that *seemed* to be being floated that the mpg could turn out to be absolutely anything and no one should even care because its a GTI, and GTI owners shouldn't care about mpg.  And I don't think that is right.  There are levels that are acceptable and ones that are not.