MK6 Remap - Who did you go with?

[Snoopy]

Ok ive been wanting to ask this question for a while.
People keep saying how good or how strong the revo map and similarmaps with similar output responces  are.
But then you read the issues on all the websites about manual clutches cannot cope with the torque  curve.
The replys are dont ride the torque    I find this to contradictory to the previous replys by owners.
In my mind as a design engineer a program is good if it is designed to work with all given parameters and uses. If not simply the program is poorly designed and not been tested correctly.
The car should be totally drivable and useable at ALL rpm and all levels and should take the clutch weekness into account.
Maybe people are too obsessed with numbers and ruller flat graphs.
Sorry but imo a revo map or similar from a personal point of view is a bad implimentaion of the hardware side of the project.
Maybe im just misunderstanding what im reading but this interpritation of what a good map and a weak map seems so messed up to me. Maybe I have it all wrong. Im not a mapper and this side of engineering is not my expertese  and i would welcome someone to explain to me if im misunderstanding this.

[Poached]

I think it's always been a case of 'pay to play'. So you should expect reduced clutch life and manuals are usually more risky than DSG because of possible clutch riding/abuse in the past.

I suppose a torque reduced map could be made but then you still might lunch a component anyway. A clutch can go on stock torque outputs over time, a map will possibly accelerate this.

A lot depends on what sort of life the clutch and engine has had I don't think a tuner can alter maps for this reason and only advise of the possible ramifications of running higher torque and power outputs.

[RocketRossUK]

I feel the same, its not all about top BHP for me at the red line, i want a great steady map through out the rev range,

so i will ask for a map between 240 - 250bhp but coming on nice and early in the range.....

They experienced guy can adjust the map to suit us.

[Rhyso]

A lot depends on what sort of life the clutch and engine has had I don't think a tuner can alter maps for this reason and only advise of the possible ramifications of running higher torque and power outputs.

Just retuned a BMW 320d which had been remapped but was slipping in the higher gears

Managed to give him a smoother, more progressive throttle, less smoke and the same power and the clutch is no longer slipping

Its all about how the power is introduced 

I've covered 35,000 miles in my A3 running over 200bhp and 320lbs ft torque on the original clutch

I know customers who have more power and covered similar mileage, again, on the standard clutch

As Snoopy says, people are still obsessed with the big numbers. For me its about how the car drives in everyday conditions. You don't drive flat out everytme you jump in the car; you want a map that works with you, when you want it 

[Poached]

A lot depends on what sort of life the clutch and engine has had I don't think a tuner can alter maps for this reason and only advise of the possible ramifications of running higher torque and power outputs.

Just retuned a BMW 320d which had been remapped but was slipping in the higher gears

Managed to give him a smoother, more progressive throttle, less smoke and the same power and the clutch is no longer slipping

Its all about how the power is introduced 

I've covered 35,000 miles in my A3 running over 200bhp and 320lbs ft torque on the original clutch

I know customers who have more power and covered similar mileage, again, on the standard clutch

As Snoopy says, people are still obsessed with the big numbers. For me its about how the car drives in everyday conditions. You don't drive flat out everytme you jump in the car; you want a map that works with you, when you want it 

How much can a Revo agent change? I was under the impression it was more of a one size fits all approach whereas an indy like yourself can offer more customisation.

[Rhyso]

How much can a Revo agent change? I was under the impression it was more of a one size fits all approach whereas an indy like yourself can offer more customisation.

Should be able to change as much as we can providing they have the equipment and training. It should be spot on before your drive away......

Equally if you have their SPS unit you can alter some things. Some cars require more fuel /air etc whilst others dont

[jhunter_83]

I currently have an sps switch for sale, never used

[Marshy]

I had my car mapped by Sedox and the car drives much better than before.
According to my dyno printout the car is 210 bhp a gtd 170
I'm not very good at reading graphs and wondered people's thoughts.

[Rhyso]

That is lovely and smooth   

I assume thats as smooth to drive on the road as it looks on the graph 

Nice and progressive in the way the torque and power is delivered   no nasty low down torque spikes which a few tuners seem to like doing..... 

[RocketRossUK]

Yeah the torque also comes on early and strong. bet the pull feels much better. im gonna get booked in with them soon.