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Back to the important matter of the fastest Golf GTI of those first four iterations. Folklore has it that each new GTI has been slower than the previous model. However, like many urban myths, this was an urban myth. Each new GTI was indeed heavier than its predecessor, and Volkswagen’s careful (or stingy, depending on your view) power increases from one model to the next never seemed to be enough to make up for the added lard.

When the Mk4 GTI was released, Autocar’s Steve Sutcliffe and BTCC driver Phil Bennett put this ‘newer equals slower’ thing to the test. They took all four GTI iterations from the Volkswagen press museum to Castle Combe, where they achieved the following lap times:

Mk1: 1min 33.6sec
Mk2: 1min 33.1sec
Mk3: 1min 31.2sec
Mk4: 1min 27.2sec


taken from pistonheads shed of the week... which is a mk3 16v  :cool:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1286470&mid=271170&nmt=RE%3A+SOTW%3A+Volkswagen+Golf+GTI+16V

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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #1 on: 17 May 2013, 11:46 »
Which version of each mk was used?  :nerd:
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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #2 on: 17 May 2013, 11:51 »
Presumably, the MK3 was the only one timed on a flying lap?

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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #3 on: 17 May 2013, 12:38 »
Looks like its a 16v Mk3 and a 1.8T Mk4. No mention of the other two marques.

Very surprised that a Mk4 with the same bhp but heavier than a Mk3 is faster? :huh:
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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #4 on: 17 May 2013, 12:48 »
Looks like its a 16v Mk3 and a 1.8T Mk4. No mention of the other two marques.

Very surprised that a Mk4 with the same bhp but heavier than a Mk3 is faster? :huh:

didnt expect a 4sec quicker mk4...

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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #5 on: 17 May 2013, 13:11 »
the mk4 1.8t will possibly be in it's peak power/torque band more than the mk3?

I am going to try and find a copy of that autocar story, as it would be good to know the exact models used

(I guess 1.8 MK1 - Mk2 16v - mk3 16v and 150bhp 1.8t) oh and do you think as it was a new mk4 press car it had slightly up'd boost settings?  :huh:  :undecided:
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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #6 on: 17 May 2013, 13:12 »
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Admittedly, the Mk2 they had was practically unused, with a tight engine, so at the end of the day these results may only really show what a difference improvements in grip and braking can make. But if you shout these numbers at your drinking buddies and then immediately change the subject, you’ll very likely make your point stick.
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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #7 on: 17 May 2013, 13:16 »
Mk4 was as a guess better suited to the track, lets be honest a std mk3 would be all at sea on a track in terms of handling.

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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #8 on: 17 May 2013, 17:41 »
Figures would always be misleading anyway, for starters a Mk3's speed would be measured in Knots, and not MPH!

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Re: Mk4 faster than Mk3,2 and 1 (oh and Mk3 second fastest!)
« Reply #9 on: 17 May 2013, 18:19 »
Figures would always be misleading anyway, for starters a Mk3's speed would be measured in Knots, and not MPH!

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my mk3 16v felt quicker than my std mk4 1.8t, but then i tuned the 1.8t too.. :evil: