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Offline Prawny

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Afternoon folks, just thought I'd share with you my results of what seems like a long year of hard work, I first fitted my ko4 hybrid to my 212k mile engine back in January of this year, and Niki at R-tech mapped it at the time to a nice and rod friendly 291bhp

Since the day I picked the car up back in February, Niki and I have been  talking about sticking rods in it, and bringing it back to see what it  can really do.

Finally that day came, and the car was booked into R-tech for a map tweak on Nov 20th.

Since the original 291bhp map, I've built up a new engine, using a 108k block, pistons and head, with the bores honed, new rings, and some DM forged rifle drilled rods. I've also added AEM water methanol injection, and ditched my miltek 2.5'' non res cat back in favour of the gti famous ebay 3'' system.

after just 4k miles, when I pulled the engine, I found the turbo was in fairly poor health, and was fast on it's way to destruction. I gave the turbo to Littco from this forum, who rebuilt it for me with an uprated bearing kit, balanced the whole unit and also replaced a faulty actuator with one of his own 1 bar items.

And then it was time....

R-tech  being 130 miles away, I was up early, and had my standard 'day out'  breakfast of a hybrid Pasta n Sauce (everything must be hybrid  :tongue:), 1x Cheese and Broccoli hybridised  with 1x Cheese leak and ham pasta n sauce. Properly awesome combo.



And we're off!



All was going well as I headed up the A34, with the car feeling good.



Until I got to oxford and everything just seemed to stop. I was due at R-tech at 0930, so wasn't too impressed with this:



Quick stop in a petrol station for another coffee





I  arrived at R-tech at 09:35, and went to drive up onto the ramp, only to  find my splitter caught the ramp and it wouldn't go on, so the bumper  had to come off:



And onto the ramp it went:



Trying  to load the car onto the dyno, it was sitting FAR too low in the  rollers, so really annoyingly, after checking all the corner weights  just the day before, I had to raise the coilovers at the front to be  able to get it strapped down properly :(

I took measurements, and will reset the coilovers to the same height as near as I possibly can.

It  was much colder at R-tech this week compared to Badger 5 last weekend,  just 12 degrees inside the unit. Niki also has the benefit of a back  door, with a few strategically placed fans to draw fresh cold air in  from outside, rather than sucking in the warmer air from inside the  workshop.

so, with almost ideal atmospheric conditions for the  dyno (cold and wet), a base line run was done, with some really quite  surprising results!



318bhp  and 310lbft, exactly as it arrived. Very promising indeed. On the old  engine with this very same map, it previously made 291bhp at R-tech in feb, so the new engine is 27bhp up on the old one in similar conditions. This was at the original 18psi of boost.

The  guys always use a bit of WD40 type spray to help the car get traction  on the rollers, but after the first run, we noticed the rollers had gone  black. Jim and Niki both said they hadn't seen that before, there was  like a layer of rubber coated on the rollers from my RS-Rs!





Sticky!!

After  a few issues (Niki had to pop out to attend his daughters school where  she was ill - all OK now thankfully), Niki and Jim got to work with  doing some load testing and making alterations to the map:



Nikis concentration face:



Strapped down with the fans in place:



The  new ECU live emulator Niki has is absolutely fantastic, they load a copy of my map onto the emulator ECU, and run it on this, which can then be live mapped whilst the car is running on the dyno. So different to  the old fashioned bench flash / change and re-flash method that used to  be necessary with the ME3.8 ECU.



Adam  Hobden popped in to say hello and was proudly showing off his new T3/4  monster turbo, having realised his ko4 hybrid was never going to beat  mine ;)



Niki  carried on mapping, without the help of the water meth at first. it  went up to 325bhp/318lbft first, then a few more tweaks saw 331bhp /  327lbft, with the car swallowing up LOADS of ignition advance and not  pulling any corrections at all. Boost was kept at a peak of 21psi, which we both agreed we didn't want to go above.

Just  before lunch, a few more tweaks saw us at 344bhp and 343lbft, still on  the smallest meth nozzle, rated by AEM to 200bhp. Still seeing very  little heat produced, and no corrections to the timing at all.



After  lunch, Jim fitted the medium sized meth nozzle, which we had always  planned to end up on, and Niki ran the car again, similar results again,  344bhp with 21 degrees ignition advance, 2-3 degrees pull in the  midrange after some very heavy brake testing (out of a possible 12), but  still no pull at all at the top end. Niki decided to try dialing some  more timing in above 4500rpm, and the grin on his face after the first  run said it all!

A bit more testing, and a few more runs, and  Niki found that the car would happily take 27 degrees of timing at the  top end without any CF's at all, and was making amazing power.

We  settled on 25.5 degrees of timing from 4500rpm to the limiter at  7500rpm, which resulted in final figures of 353bhp and 345lbft, still at  21psi peak boost. It's still not pulling any timing at the top end, AFR  is 11.9:1, and despite repeated load testing and brake testing on the  dyno, right after the 353bhp run, the inlet manifold was ice cold to  touch, and even the cam cover was cool enough that you could hold your  hand on it, so that's where it stayed, at the full fat 353bhp.




A  few other hyrbids have come close to this, one making 352bhp, and one  making 348bhp, but these have both needed lots of boost to make this  figure, and have been generating crazy heat, with the results not being  sustainable, so Niki has pulled them all back to around 330bhp for the  road. Unlike these, mine is making 353bhp with less heat than you'd  usually see at 330bhp, the way it flows is just amazing.

The car  feels absolutely incredible to drive, with over 330bhp held from  5000-7000rpm, and torque holding above 300lbft from 3500-6400rpm. a very  broad spread indeed :) 3rd gear when it hooks up, from 5-7.5k rpm, is absolutely ballistic, proper hold on tight roller coaster stuff if I'm honest.

Actuator pressure remains very smooth and sensible, with 287bhp and 276lbft at 15psi.

All  in all, I could not be happier with the result at all, I owe Niki, Jim,  and ben a HUGE thank you for spending so long on the car, the guys  cleared the diary for the whole day for me, and had no other customers  all day long, just Niki and Jim, all day on my car getting it right,  with Ben manning the phone and sorting out anyone who came to speak to  Niki.

The drive home was entertaining in the rain, and pretty  scary when I did try full boost in the wet. I'm really looking forward  to getting it out on the open road on a dry day.

One last cheeky flame pic:


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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #1 on: 21 November 2012, 16:34 »
god damn nut case!  :grin:


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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #2 on: 21 November 2012, 17:12 »
Outstanding results! Pleased for you mate!

So how was your making far less heat than others? Same specs? Or was it the WMI that clinched the deal for yours?

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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #3 on: 21 November 2012, 17:20 »
Very nice mate, shame it's not 4wd  :grin: :grin:

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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #4 on: 21 November 2012, 17:38 »
Awesome mate!
i saw the pic uploaded on niki's facebook and was waiting for the write up!
im dying for more power!!  :laugh:
may have to do a new build  :grin:


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"Project track car" has begun :grin:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=247202.0

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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #5 on: 21 November 2012, 17:46 »


So how was your making far less heat than others? Same specs? Or was it the WMI that clinched the deal for yours?

In the politest possible way, I don't think anyone else has really taken the time to do one of these 'properly' yet

All the other builds have had some form of compromise somewhere, lots of little tiny things that the owners always say ''yea, but that won't make any real difference'', but you add a few of those together and it DOES make a difference.

There are loads of these on LCR's and S3's all struggling to pass 315-320bhp, but there's always something that's not quite there, small port inlets on large port heads, standard manifolds, smaller FMIC or pipes, no WMI, there's always one little thing that stops it from being a complete package.


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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #6 on: 21 November 2012, 19:09 »
Sweet mate. Well it surely is a monster...Only one thing left. NOS  :lipsrsealed:

Will make a mean track car/drag car. What other mods do you have, suspension wise etc?  :smiley:

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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #7 on: 21 November 2012, 19:51 »
Once again congratulation Prawn! How big a part do you think the AGU engines CR played? I'm planing on re building my AMK engine with a large port head. Should I just buy a AGU block as a starting point?
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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #8 on: 21 November 2012, 19:55 »


Will make a mean track car/drag car. What other mods do you have, suspension wise etc?  :smiley:

12 point welded in cage, KW V3 suspension, pillow ball adjustable top mounts, 22/32mm arb's, all LCR cast arms / hubs/quick rack/brakes, it's reasonably well specced :)

It doesn't do drag racing though, I tried it once, almost fell asleep. This car lives on the track :)

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Re: k04 hybrid finished - 350bhp and not a big turbo in sight!
« Reply #9 on: 21 November 2012, 20:07 »
Amazing results :cool: