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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #20 on: 11 November 2012, 18:49 »
continue to enjoy the same level of MPG  :smug:

I'm not enjoying my MPG.... its terrible for a diesel. That's my point.

And im trying to give you suggestions to fix it  :kiss:

Find someone local to you who has VAGCOM and give it the once over and a logging session  :nerd:

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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #21 on: 11 November 2012, 19:11 »
Yep which i appreciate  :wink:

My cousin did scan it actually not long ago and all that came up was 2 glow plugs, but ill give it another scan prior to doing a few things. Its due a winter service now anyway.
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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #22 on: 11 November 2012, 19:17 »
To be averaging that low an mpg is ridiculous in a TDI, even with 'town driving' and short journeys. Everyone is telling you they're getting far higher figures, with the same or similar engines and you're telling everyone you've calculated your own mpg. So that would insinuate to me (and others judging by their posts) that is something amiss.

Just as a point of reference I own a MKV Gti and every time I fill the tank up I reset the 'trip computer' and at the end of every tank (well mostly every tank  :wink:) I calculate my mpg and see what the average is. If I have done predominantly town driving and short journeys, including the odd obscene five minutes, then I usually see about 320-330 miles from a tank which is an average of 27.3mpg. On motorway journeys I have achieved anywhere between 400-420 miles from a tank, using a very light right foot and driving at a constant 70/80mph, which is an average of 33.9mpg.

What the mpg reads on short journeys at the end of a tank is irrelevant, because every time I stop and start the car the 'trip' resets itself. So in essence I could drive like a looney for a whole tank and then do one 'grandad' like drive at the end of the tank and the 'trip' at the end of that drive would read the last mpg figure (which could be as high 34.5mpg) and yet I may have only realised 290 miles from the full tank, meaning the true mpg would be 23.9mpg.
 
Whereas if I complete a continuous journey then the 'trip' never gets reset, so I can see if the 'trip' figure is realistic. From experience in most cases I can tell you that it is, for example after completing a recent very long motorway journey from Truro to Canterbury (330 miles) the 'trip' said I averaged 30.9mpg. I had used 49 litres during the journey, equating to an actual average of 30.6mpg. So 0.3mpg difference between the 'trip' figure and the calculated figure is pretty darn close in my opinion.

I don't know whether or not GTI 'trips' are different to TDI 'trips'. But I doubt that they are that dissimilar.  :wink:

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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #23 on: 11 November 2012, 19:18 »
Yep which i appreciate  :wink:

My cousin did scan it actually not long ago and all that came up was 2 glow plugs, but ill give it another scan prior to doing a few things. Its due a winter service now anyway.

Worth changing them before the cold really sets in as it will struggle to start otherwise

You to need to log the MAF and Boost to help give you an idea of whats happening  :smiley:

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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #24 on: 12 November 2012, 10:49 »
To be averaging that low an mpg is ridiculous in a TDI, even with 'town driving' and short journeys. Everyone is telling you they're getting far higher figures, with the same or similar engines and you're telling everyone you've calculated your own mpg. So that would insinuate to me (and others judging by their posts) that is something amiss.

Just as a point of reference I own a MKV Gti and every time I fill the tank up I reset the 'trip computer' and at the end of every tank (well mostly every tank  :wink:) I calculate my mpg and see what the average is. If I have done predominantly town driving and short journeys, including the odd obscene five minutes, then I usually see about 320-330 miles from a tank which is an average of 27.3mpg. On motorway journeys I have achieved anywhere between 400-420 miles from a tank, using a very light right foot and driving at a constant 70/80mph, which is an average of 33.9mpg.

What the mpg reads on short journeys at the end of a tank is irrelevant, because every time I stop and start the car the 'trip' resets itself. So in essence I could drive like a looney for a whole tank and then do one 'grandad' like drive at the end of the tank and the 'trip' at the end of that drive would read the last mpg figure (which could be as high 34.5mpg) and yet I may have only realised 290 miles from the full tank, meaning the true mpg would be 23.9mpg.
 
Whereas if I complete a continuous journey then the 'trip' never gets reset, so I can see if the 'trip' figure is realistic. From experience in most cases I can tell you that it is, for example after completing a recent very long motorway journey from Truro to Canterbury (330 miles) the 'trip' said I averaged 30.9mpg. I had used 49 litres during the journey, equating to an actual average of 30.6mpg. So 0.3mpg difference between the 'trip' figure and the calculated figure is pretty darn close in my opinion.

I don't know whether or not GTI 'trips' are different to TDI 'trips'. But I doubt that they are that dissimilar.  :wink:

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Mate that is the single journey trip... if you press select/reset once, it will take you to trip number 2, which is continuous, so you can reset it each time you fill the tank and it wont reset until you reset it manually...
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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #25 on: 12 November 2012, 11:23 »
are we all missing something here he has a, "R-tech remap. 175bhp."

surely that doesn't help MPG?

also its a 10 year old car, its never going to be as efficient as when it rolled out the factory, how many miles are on it?
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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #26 on: 12 November 2012, 11:25 »
are we all missing something here he has a, "R-tech remap. 175bhp."

surely that doesn't help MPG?

also its a 10 year old car, its never going to be as efficient as when it rolled out the factory, how many miles are on it?

Mate that was my last car lol, I've actually got a 2005 GT TDI 140, all standard
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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #27 on: 12 November 2012, 11:42 »
are we all missing something here he has a, "R-tech remap. 175bhp."

surely that doesn't help MPG?

also its a 10 year old car, its never going to be as efficient as when it rolled out the factory, how many miles are on it?

Mate that was my last car lol, I've actually got a 2005 GT TDI 140, all standard

What engine was in your last car?

Remap can help improve MPG  :wink:  My Audi was doing 42-45mpg prior to the remap.  Post remap it would do 45-50mpg and now with the DPF removed will do 49mpg+ all day long unless I press the go-go pedal rather hard  :laugh:

The feedback I get from my customers is they all on average gain about 5mpg extra once remapped  :smiley:  That is of course based on a healthy car  :wink:

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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #28 on: 12 November 2012, 11:55 »

Remap can help improve MPG  :wink:  My Audi was doing 42-45mpg prior to the remap.  Post remap it would do 45-50mpg and now with the DPF removed will do 49mpg+ all day long unless I press the go-go pedal rather hard  :laugh:

The feedback I get from my customers is they all on average gain about 5mpg extra once remapped  :smiley:  That is of course based on a healthy car  :wink:

Couldn't agree more. My Gti has retained the standard mpg the car should have, with an added 100bhp. So that's a gain my eyes.

Mate that is the single journey trip... if you press select/reset once, it will take you to trip number 2, which is continuous, so you can reset it each time you fill the tank and it wont reset until you reset it manually...

Okay fair enough dude, I never knew that (to be frank I'm not your 'read the manual' kinda guy  :grin:), to be honest I only ever look at the 'trip' 'current mpg' and 'range'.

Staying on topic, for an overpowered Gti to achieve between 27-30mpg across all types of journeys, in comparison to your standard Tdi 140 achieving only 8-10mpg more, is not right and can't be down to driving styles surely  :laugh:

I would get your car healthy, if there is indeed something wrong it, which it seems there might be and then get it remapped, you will definitely see improved fuel efficiency as Rhyso knows better than anyone. I've had two previous diesels remapped and noticed a considerable difference on both cars.  :smiley:
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Re: Wow. Some interesting maths on mpg
« Reply #29 on: 12 November 2012, 12:42 »
well done for not updating your signature and confusing the f&%k out of me.

are we all missing something here he has a, "R-tech remap. 175bhp."

surely that doesn't help MPG?

also its a 10 year old car, its never going to be as efficient as when it rolled out the factory, how many miles are on it?

Mate that was my last car lol, I've actually got a 2005 GT TDI 140, all standard
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