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Offline NotMyName

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So on the back of some of my old threads, my brothers 1.9 100bhp TDI blew a few month ago. He was told it was the turbo that had gone, so rather than paying £1,500 to VW, the mechanic got the part number & did an eBay search & gave my brother the listing ID.

£300 or so later & my brother was providing this bloke a new turbo.

Had that fitted but it didn't solve anything really. Black smoke coming out even days/weeks later.

It went back & the bloke blanked off the EGR which helped a lot but didn't fix the issue.

Anyway, i think the EGR has been totally blanked now. New drive belt & tensioner fitted for the whining.

New AFM fitted & my brother fitted a new MAP sensor today which hasn't sorted the issue.



Basically when he's pulling away in 1st there's hesitation. He has his foot down & it's struggling past 2.5k revs. Switch into 2nd & everything is good to go - boost, normality.

He says he has to give the accelerator pedal a double blip at times when setting off to try & get going. Once he's out of 1st he's good, though he has said that this current turbo, even when working, doesn't feel as fast as the old turbo before it blew. I guess that's what over £1000 of turbo does then?!


Anyway, the mechanic said if it isn't the MAP sensor then he's tried everything he can think of. Any idea what can be the cause here?

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #1 on: 27 October 2012, 19:00 »
Clutch slipping?

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #2 on: 27 October 2012, 19:41 »
Get it on VAGCOM and get a full reading done by someone who knows what they are doing.

Get them to look at the boost reading, throttle position sensor, fuel readings through the injectors. It could not be reading the boost, and not putting in the fuel to the engine.

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #3 on: 31 December 2012, 16:09 »
Not sure if this is the reading you're on about, but i plugged in VAGCOM today & read the fault codes.

I notice it mentioning central locking - the drivers door was open when i was doing this so don't know if that'd throw a code or two up.

Anyway, for anyone fluent in fault-code'oligy, does any of this relate to the turbo issue? If not, then what can we do, short of constantly fitting new turbos hoping one of them fixes the problem....

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VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.0
Monday, 31 December 2012, 09:34:21:0


Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,46,47,55,56,57,75,76
 
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Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AXR.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 FF
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG  1449
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00046
   WVWZZZ1JZ2B125895     VWZ6Z0A3868076
2 Faults Found:
17664 - Engine Coolant Temp Sensor (G62): Open or Short to Plus
            P1256 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
18080 - Coolant Fan Control 1: Open or Short to Ground
            P1672 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 038-906-019-AXR.LBL
   Controller:
   Note: Excessive Comm Errors

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Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 920 906 G
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB8 V18
   Coding: 01412
   Shop #: WSC 00046
   WVWZZZ1JZ2B125895     VWZ6Z0A3868076
No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00046
No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799
   Component: 1Z Komfortgerát HLO 0001
   Coding: 00259
   Shop #: WSC 00046
3 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01359 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Passenger Side (E198)
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00930 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Left (F222)
            27-00 - Implausible Signal

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #4 on: 31 December 2012, 18:21 »
whered he get the turbo from? wasnt one of those foreign 'recon' places was it? its odd that it only happens in 1st. have all the vacun pipes been checked for splits or Anything, also check to see the actuator is opening all the way.
those codes mean the temperature sender wants renewing - go to vw and spend the £29 on a genuine one rather than replacing the £5 ebay ones every week
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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #5 on: 31 December 2012, 22:53 »
He bought the turbo off of eBay for approx £300. VW wanted around £1,500 for it. As it wasn't a cert that it'd fix the problem, he couldn't afford to throw £1,500 at a "maybe".

What sort of faults is the temp sender likely to give? The temp gauge on the dials reading incorrectly?

He's sort of fallen out with the car & only really wants it running right - which would be the 1st gear issue mentioned. I'll put to him what you said to see if he's checked.

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #6 on: 31 December 2012, 23:07 »
Apparently i've reported the problem wrong....

He's spoken to his mates & it's been put to him something about the 'waste gate' (sound right?) being blocked or stuck or whatever?

The problem...

He'll set off, so he's in 1st. He'll go foot to the floor but it'll only get to about 1.8k revs despite foot to the floor. Let the accelerator off, then put it back on & the turbo will kick in & the revs will finally pick up.

This repeats itself throughout the gears (all the way to and including 5th gear).

Ideas?

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #7 on: 31 December 2012, 23:20 »
Actuator not setup properly

I had this when the turbo was replaced on mine.  It made a max of 5psi up to 1800rpm then all hell broke loose

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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #8 on: 31 December 2012, 23:25 »
fair play, id rather spend 300 than 1500 myself. it does sound like the actuator isnt opening properly so its holding bk on the boost. if theres a feature on vag com you can measure the boost with the data logging feature and see whats happening. id say the vnt mechanism isnt opening fully
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Re: Still lagging in 1st gear. Mechanic stumped. Likely cause?
« Reply #9 on: 31 December 2012, 23:33 »
Block 11 /13 off the top of my head. Its around there anyway

On mine I had a boost gauge plumbed in so I could see exactly what was or wasn't happening