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Offline scarr89

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water/meth etc
« on: 18 December 2011, 23:42 »
Can someone please put in simples what devils own water/meth injection thing is? Really would like to know how it aids your engine and how it works! Have read a few posts about, and looked on the websites and have gotten that you inject water into your inlet manifold? Then it talks about advance in timings?  :shocked:

I am DERV kinda guy so am not too clued up on all this petrol meth injection malarkey...

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #1 on: 19 December 2011, 00:11 »
makes em go better.

water lower cyl temps but that's not the only effect it has.   belive it or not it actualy iteracts chemicaly with the fuel and air to help the burn.   the water H20 ( some of it ) will become peroxide bit like this    2 X H2O + O2 >  2X H2O2   shortly after  the peroxide H2O2 brakes down back into H2O ( water )  and free atomic oxigen  ( thats really good at burnign stuff )   

the other feature is it not only removes heat though the waters laten eat of vaporisation but chemicaly stores energy for a short while in the form of h2o2

methanol  is just a bloody good fuel  it carrys some of the oxigen it needs to burn within itself so are in effect injecting oxigen into the engine as part of the fuel as it needs less o2 to burn you can burn more for a given amount of air therefore getting more power it also rases the effective octane rateing and is bloody good at moping up heat exp when running on high % mixes

long and short,  you can shove more in the cylinder and light it sooner to get more power without haveing to add fuel by the bucket to keep the cyl temps down,  excess fuel keeps det away to a point but water dose it better 
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #2 on: 19 December 2011, 00:13 »
Can someone please put in simples what devils own water/meth injection thing is? Really would like to know how it aids your engine and how it works! Have read a few posts about, and looked on the websites and have gotten that you inject water into your inlet manifold? Then it talks about advance in timings?  :shocked:

I am DERV kinda guy so am not too clued up on all this petrol meth injection malarkey...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPFZWd8wj4

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #3 on: 19 December 2011, 14:26 »
water lower cyl temps but that's not the only effect it has.   belive it or not it actualy iteracts chemicaly with the fuel and air to help the burn.   the water H20 ( some of it ) will become peroxide bit like this    2 X H2O + O2 >  2X H2O2   shortly after  the peroxide H2O2 brakes down back into H2O ( water )  and free atomic oxigen  ( thats really good at burnign stuff )   

This man has previous convictions with peroxide.  :grin:
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #4 on: 19 December 2011, 16:39 »
Thanks for the link Sound. So am I right in thinking that lower temps reduces the chances of premature ignition which leads to bent rods...is that how that happens?

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« Reply #5 on: 19 December 2011, 17:15 »
Thanks for the link Sound. So am I right in thinking that lower temps reduces the chances of premature ignition which leads to bent rods...is that how that happens?

Lower intake temps = more consistent power :wink:

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #6 on: 19 December 2011, 17:40 »
Every days a school day   :rolleyes:

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #7 on: 19 December 2011, 19:43 »
I want this kit  :grin:

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #8 on: 19 December 2011, 20:47 »
isn't hard to make a far better water meth injection kit  :wink:

plastic or stainless steel tank,  pump wants to be good to pull a bout 4-5 bar depending on application,  a fuel pressure regulator,  old fuel rail,  4 injectors aproxamatly 1/4 size of of your primary fuel injectors.   oil pressure switch, about 4 FETs,  and some other components and bosh  done
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #9 on: 19 December 2011, 21:45 »
Apparently pump needs atleast 200PSI to atomise the water properly?

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