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Offline tech1889

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #10 on: 19 December 2011, 21:57 »
Apparently pump needs atleast 200PSI to atomise the water properly?



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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #11 on: 19 December 2011, 22:12 »
all depends on the nossels, fuel injectors are a hell of a lot better at atomiseing stuff than simpel spray nossels  :wink:   only downside to the they are more complex and can corroed internaly so you need a dash of corrosion inhibitor in the mix idealy ( theory says )

the massive advantage of useing them is you can connect into the wireing harness for the fuel injectors and use that to trigger your water meth injectors.
this means your water/meth injectors share the duity cycel of the fuel injectors and so the water / fuel ratio stays constant.  not X amount of water / meth wether it needed or not.    0.35 bar is a reasonable point to start injection if tuneing for economy more if its just for full welly power.

also useing injectors means water consumption is very predictable if on all the time 10 lts of water to every 40 ltrs of fuel  but if sensing boost to bring it on it'll be a lot less


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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #12 on: 19 December 2011, 22:17 »
I use an Aquamist water injection kit on my Mk2 16v Turbo. It injects through a 0.05mm jet into the top of the intercooler, it is atomised before it enters the throttle body.

The water cools the charged air, the cooler the air, the denser it becomes. The cooler the engine the less chance of detonation

When my car was setup on Stealth's rollers, after about 10 runs the inlet manifold was ice cold to the touch, Vince told me he had never done so many runs in a car without letting it cool in between. Stealth sometime after this became an agent for Aquamist.

Taken straight from Stealth's website:

Stealth Racing have now become an agent for ERL's Aquamist water injection product. Designed predominantly to provide in cylinder cooling for forced induction cars, these systems sit at the very front of the water injection market.
As any turbod or supercharged car owner will testify, a major threat to a force fed motor is the potential onset of detonation. This is the practice of spark plug igniting the fuel / air mixture before the piston has reached the top of it's sweep. The result (if left alone) is a damaged piston or two, leaving no other choice but to expensively rebuild the engine.

Methods of reducing the onset of detonation, include retarding the ignition timing or relying (where possible) on electronic control devices such as the knock sensor. Both of these will do the job, but retarding the timing will compromise the power output of the motor and relying on the flimsy safety net of a knock sensor is never a wise move!

A more effective method of preventing detonation, is to lower the in cylinder temperatures. Fuel is a good temperature cooler, but constantly dumping petrol into the engine is liable to wash the cylinder bores. Traditionally, intercooling or chargecooling are used to lower the temperature of boosted air before it reaches the engine. This is a very good start, but technical limitations mean that the efficiency of these cooling methods is plateaued and still will not prevent "pinking" in some applications. Enter water injection, a proven cooler in F1 and rally applications, now making a name for itself in fast road applications.

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #13 on: 19 December 2011, 22:25 »
Mine will run off boost pressure, which has controllable start point, and a controllable point to where it hits 100%.
 
Ive heard a 4 litre tank lasts roughly a tank of fuel  :huh:

Guess we will find out soon enough  :wink:
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #14 on: 19 December 2011, 22:33 »
Mine runs off boost pressure too, controlled by a MAP sensor, I need to set it all up again once the car is fully rebuilt

Depends how early you set it to come on and what jets you use as to how much water you use, and how heavy your right foot is!

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #15 on: 19 December 2011, 22:36 »
How much are you looking at to get a system like this installed?
Wouldn't be fun if it was easy, but does it have to be this much fun?

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #16 on: 19 December 2011, 22:47 »
How much are you looking at to get a system like this installed?

Free... DIY  :wink:
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #17 on: 19 December 2011, 22:51 »
How much are you looking at to get a system like this installed?

Free... DIY  :wink:

Thought you might say that Dave...  :rolleyes:  :grin: 

Alright then, how much would it be for the parts to do it yourself?

And, on the other hand, how much would it be to get someone (like stealth) who know what they are doing to do it?
Wouldn't be fun if it was easy, but does it have to be this much fun?

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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #18 on: 19 December 2011, 22:53 »
Depends if you buy a kit, or do something along the lines Danny_P suggested..

No idea about install from a garage, it would take about 1-2 hours to put in i suppose  :huh:
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Re: water/meth etc
« Reply #19 on: 19 December 2011, 22:56 »
Fair enough. Sounds like a good system and i'm wondering why more people don't have it? or is it just that noone really says that they have it..?
Wouldn't be fun if it was easy, but does it have to be this much fun?

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