home ethernet

[Guy]

word up

popping in the new sky bb router at the mrs' home at some point in the next couple of days

want to also upgrade their sky box to HD+ anytime which means we can download movies/boxsets/series etc on demand

now... had the thought that I would install it upstairs next to the phone point in the room where the desktop is

then... from the router in this location run an ethernet cable to the wall and directly down to the point where the tv box is... obviously I would want to run it to boxes so I could unclip the cables and walk away as necessary and just leave the junction boxes




so

phone point upstairs -----> router ------> desktop
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                                      wall box
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                                          \/
                                      wall box downstairs  -------> sky box


landline phone on separate phone junction downstairs with ADSL filter


so... what tools, equipment etc do I need to do this and what should I be aware of when going through cavity walling?

[Ridg]

you need two face plates, a lenght of network cable, the type you get will dictate the maximum speed (achievable), cat5 is 10/100, cat5e/cat6 is 10/100/1000.

regarding the fitting, no different than routing an cable, if you're doing a proper job then you'll want chase out a channel for the cable then plaster over it.  If you're doing a bodge job then you could simply drill trough the ceiling and leave the cable hanging, in-between this you've got tower clips (the type you would run a phone extension with).

Re the ceiling, the gap can be bigger than you think, so you're going to need either a large drill or something to feed the wire through a hole drilled either side, best bet is a sparky on the forum.

Personally as it's the sky box then I'd get a wireless acess point and a wireless router, the anytime / on demand wont be able  saturate the wireless bandwidth

phone point -----> wireless router ------> desktop
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                               wi-fi
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                                 |                                 
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                 wireless access point or router -------> sky

you basically create a bridge between the two wifi devices which is the same as running a cable, given the cost of running a cable properly this would probably be cheaper.  an other alternative is the ethernet over power, this uses your home wiring as the cable.

also given the main problem you've got here is routing cables, I'd probably say off topic would be a better place (maybe).

[Guy]

(i thought as it was talking bout tech stuff it might be better off in the tech sectchun - there would be crossover whatever section it went in :/)

i was thinking as the walls are that silly plasterboard stuff that I could just drill a hole in it and drop a cable down the gap in the wall :/

you can pickup a sky specific wireless receiver for £60 which would probably be the best solution but I kinda liked the idea of paying about a tenner for the whole solution

I was just thinking would I need crimps or anything for connecting up the junction boxes?

[Dolly]

you need 2 faceplates and 2 RJ45 outlets

so two of these (as they include the lot)
http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-module-outlet-kit-single-cat-5e/10030

stick one behind the tele and one near the router, get the length of cable and its a scotch style fit into the back of the connectors, instructions show you what colour wire for what pin but its easy enough, just a small blunt screwdriver to push the wiring into the connectors. there is a tool but ive never used one..

[Guy]

you need 2 faceplates and 2 RJ45 outlets

so two of these (as they include the lot)
http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-module-outlet-kit-single-cat-5e/10030

stick one behind the tele and one near the router, get the length of cable and its a scotch style fit into the back of the connectors, instructions show you what colour wire for what pin but its easy enough, just a small blunt screwdriver to push the wiring into the connectors. there is a tool but ive never used one..

bonza.... do they recess back into the wall?

[Dolly]

those dont they sit out,

i suppoose you could use this so its flush http://www.screwfix.com/p/single-keystone-jack-faceplate/29153
but then dont forget you need the outlet http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-jack-punch-down-outlet-90-white/72694

you can use either 90 degree or 180 degree connectors with most faceplates. the connectors just clip into the faceplate

[Guy]

those dont they sit out,

i suppoose you could use this so its flush http://www.screwfix.com/p/single-keystone-jack-faceplate/29153
but then dont forget you need the outlet http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-jack-punch-down-outlet-90-white/72694

you can use either 90 degree or 180 degree connectors with most faceplates. the connectors just clip into the faceplate

i was hoping they would as I was looking at the double kit for the unit you recommended... if you look at the second review there is a photo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-module-outlet-kit-double/34584#

i am guessing that it is just like the two separate products you recommended plus this http://www.screwfix.com/p/45mm-1g-network-pattress/10228

i'll get the two double kits + some cat5e (maybe some cat 6) cable

what tool/s would you recommend for stripping the wires and punching down... i don't mind buying tools if I am saving money, chances are if this install works I will get carried away with it and install data everywhere 

[Dolly]

you only need to strip back the outer cables to expose the 8 wires inside, you do not need to strip the 8 small wires, they just push in. like i say scotch like style, i cant vouch for tools i use a small screw driver but something like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RJ45-RJ11-Cat5e-Network-Cable-Punch-Down-Impact-Tool-UK-/250652856235?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingTools_Accessories_SM&hash=item3a5c130fab#ht_2797wt_1089

[Dolly]

if you use a double box you can dispose of the single phone line box.

so you have the phone in coming in the left socket and then the one to downstairs going to the right socket. save having 2 seperate boxes. you can plug adsl/phone lines into rj45 connectors.

i know this as in my brothers house,  i used 2 rj45 connectors and cat5 cable to effectively extend the phone line into his sky router as he didnt want the router in the hall by the front door where the phone line box is.

[Guy]

you only need to strip back the outer cables to expose the 8 wires inside, you do not need to strip the 8 small wires, they just push in. like i say scotch like style, i cant vouch for tools i use a small screw driver but something like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RJ45-RJ11-Cat5e-Network-Cable-Punch-Down-Impact-Tool-UK-/250652856235?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingTools_Accessories_SM&hash=item3a5c130fab#ht_2797wt_1089

okey dokey so some crafty work stripping it with a craft knife and then getting a cheap punch