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[AudiA8Quattro]

Why would the 16v mount be stronger than the vr6 one?

just are, only the rear drivers side, it is heavy duty, same one as used on TDI also.

VR6 uses exactly the same as 8v GTI  all 3 of them, i know because iv checked into all the part numbers that were on my 8v and also on the VR6 high line we broke.. i then checked with the dealer and it was confirmed the rear drivers mount on the ABF is uprated and this is the one to use  it looked a lot different to the 8v/VR6 item when it arrived too

That's not what ETKA says. Looking from the front of the car, the front mount is a different part number for a VR than the other engines. The rear left is also different. The rear right, the AAA, ABF and 1Z are the same.
VR mounts i would of thought are stronger to cope with the extra weight, the letter at the end of the part number is different, i expect thats what it means.

[AudiA8Quattro]

Drivers side rear on a 1995.

1H0 199 262 B  - ABF, ADY, AEK, 2E, AEP, AAZ
1H0 199 262 K  - AAA

[Wayne]

That's not what ETKA says. Looking from the front of the car, the front mount is a different part number for a VR than the other engines. The rear left is also different. The rear right, the AAA, ABF and 1Z are the same.
VR mounts i would of thought are stronger to cope with the extra weight, the letter at the end of the part number is different, i expect thats what it means.

  that is correct the front mount is 100% different, all to do with the extra torque.

[F17BAD]

Wrong

call the dealer you will see.. they are now all the same on the VR and 8v. trust me iv actually changed mounts on a VR have either of you too ? your etka is wrong their..  And their is no way on this earth the 2E has the same  rear drivers side mount as a ABF... absolutly no way.. mine was a 2E. the mount was night and day different to the ABF one i got. i can dig out the part numbers if need be


Front mount on VR is same as 8v.. believe!!!...it has nothing to do with extra torque eitrher haha its about the weight and how the engine sits in the bay height wise......

We put the 8v. VR6 ones and the new 16v items i got all together. the only one that was different out of them all was the rear drivers one for the ABF. it is uprated and looks different, really easy to see

[AudiA8Quattro]

Wrong

Keep your hair on, its only what ETKA quotes.

call the dealer you will see

That's exactly why i've got ETKA, the dealers are generally totally useless.

they are now all the same on the VR and 8v

Part numbers the same yes, but the letter at the end is different, so they are NOT the same.

trust me iv actually changed mounts on a VR have either of you too ?

  Now come on, i think you know i've changed engine mounts 

your etka is wrong their..  And their is no way on this earth the 2E has the same  rear drivers side mount as a ABF... absolutly no way.. mine was a 2E. the mount was night and day different to the ABF one i got. i can dig out the part numbers if need be

I very much doubt the ETKA is wrong Brad, its 7.2 update 804, its a fairly new version. I don't know what was on your car, but it could of been modified at some point. The part numbers i have listed are what should be on the car.

Front mount on VR is same as 8v.. believe!!!...it has nothing to do with extra torque eitrher haha its about the weight and how the engine sits in the bay height wise......

Its got everything to do with torque. Watch what happens when the front mount fails, the engine tries to leap out. The front mount on the vr has to be stronger, the part number IS different.

We put the 8v. VR6 ones and the new 16v items i got all together. the only one that was different out of them all was the rear drivers one for the ABF. it is uprated and looks different, really easy to see

Yes, yes, they may look the same, but are they the same strength, is the part number EXACTLY the same, including the letter at the end?
Was the 16v mount the original mount? what was the part number? i will check it.


Just to add, Brad, there is no need to get so aggressive about things. I've only quoted the part numbers, i doubt they are wrong. It is a pretty new version of ETKA.

[F17BAD]

All original mount

went through all this with the dealer, who also happens to be my mate

side by side the mounts were ALL exactly the same. apart from the uprated one that the 16v car has at the drivers rear, the TDI apparently also uses this according to the dealership

nobody is getting aggressive, if it comes across that way ill apologise  -  we are all friends. But, I'm going by experience which you don't seem to want to listen to, i hear you totally and i thought the same but i went through all this more than once with the dealer and then with 2 other suppers just to make sure (ECP,GSF)
Then wayne who said the front VR6 are 100% different when they actually are not.. people need to not say stuff like this if they don't really know. and that is not having a go at wayne as he is my mate.. so i hope he does not take that the wrong way.. ill dig out my invoices and look at the part numbers, one i received first was wrong as they sent a 8v one i do remember this much

[AudiA8Quattro]

Yeah i do hear you Brad, its not that i don't want to listen to you, i'm only going on the info in front of me. The version of ETKA covers 2011 cars, so its pretty new.
My experience of main dealers hasn't been great, most don't know there arse from their elbow.
Side by side the mounts will look the same, its the letter at the end that is different, this usually means a modification or revision, i would suggest a difference in strength.
Wayne meant the vr6 front mount is stronger, not that it looks totally different, as the design is the same.
Is your drivers side rear mount a hydro mount rather than a bonded rubber bush?

[AudiA8Quattro]

Vagcat seems to be the same.

http://www.vagcat.com/epc/cat/vw/GO/1995/159/49/1813637/#20

Which mount is the one on your 16v?

[F17BAD]

The ones that were on my MK3 originally were in fantastic shape, now i don't know if they had been replaced at some point but they were exactly the same as what was on Bens 8v too... so he kept mine for his conversion, so basically he has my old 8v ones on his VR6 which is all good and no issues

We checked the part numbers from the ones that was on my car originally against the ones that were on the VR6 donor car he had which was a 1997. they were all exactly the same. the back 2 exactly the same part numbers. as was the front

Back onto my car.

The green 16v car i bought for the Gearbox had the same gearbox mount at the rear and the same front mount as my 8v. but the rear drivers side looked ALOT different.

the ones i bought (genuine 16 v mounts all 3) were exactly the same as what we found on the Green 16v car, only the drivers rear was different from the 8v/Vr items

its worth noting the VR has the same hydro set up and gearbox as a 16v.. i was definitely told by a guy at Eurocarparts and my mate who works at VW (who is usually pretty good tbh) that the rear drivers mount on the 16v is uprated and this is why everyone uses them for the 1.8t conversions.. it was then when he told me the TDI uses the same ?

i would image you could use the 8v /Vr ones but i kept all mine to 16v as research showed this is the best route to take also

they did send me a regular 8v one for drivers rear first, and id never have known it was different if i had not seen the one on the green 16v car.

I will see what is on the black ABF we are breaking at the moment, I'm going down this week so ill be sure to post up the codes and see if its the same as whats on mine 

[AudiA8Quattro]

So your 16v was fitted with the hydro mount or the bonded rubber bush?
You said part number were the same, is that included in the end letter as well?
If the part number i quoted are wrong, then its a bug in the software, i checked for updates and my version is the latest.
Its always been 100% accurate, same as the dealer uses.
Get some part number up