Cheers elvi i did look at that silver jag shame its an auto same with the subaru im after a manual as i could use my dads range rover for winter but again its auto and i dont like them

that passat on the other hand would be alright although if its anything like the golf 4mo it will drink more than i do which isn't good plus really i find vw's quite unreliable regarding sensors etc i just need something that will go through snow and not give me any hassle for 6 months

over budget also max is £1400 sorry is there any smaller engined 4x4's in the vag group for the sort of price im willing to pay which dont suffer from any problems