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Offline JulesS3

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #40 on: 29 July 2011, 15:30 »
A lot of streaming sites allow you download the film before you watch it as well, this is useful for HD as you can it watch it uninterrupted later on. Something packet filtering wouldnt show up. The implications of them doing this to every user though i doubt this would happen.

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #41 on: 29 July 2011, 18:42 »
Mk1makka. How much have you paid for music in all your years on earth?? If it equates to the region of £60,000 then I bow down to your superiority on the subject. If not then get off your own high horse...prices are obscene...I still pay for vinyl as I said...no point did I say I steal...I said I don't agree with pricing and you seem to be stuck on that issue when it's a lot wider as others recognise even if do t agree :smiley:

Google anything you want for free and you WILL be offered a link...that's why this is BS as the government has been told to chase one website when Google offers sooo much more and indexes the same as the website in question  :lipsrsealed:

Sorry but I hate all this righteousness seems as though the UK is made of money and can be shafted more than most of the world...probably due to thinking we still own all of our sovereign states :grin:

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #42 on: 30 July 2011, 10:18 »
Mk1makka. How much have you paid for music in all your years on earth?? If it equates to the region of £60,000 then I bow down to your superiority on the subject. If not then get off your own high horse...prices are obscene...I still pay for vinyl as I said...no point did I say I steal...I said I don't agree with pricing and you seem to be stuck on that issue when it's a lot wider as others recognise even if do t agree :smiley:

Google anything you want for free and you WILL be offered a link...that's why this is BS as the government has been told to chase one website when Google offers sooo much more and indexes the same as the website in question  :lipsrsealed:

Sorry but I hate all this righteousness seems as though the UK is made of money and can be shafted more than most of the world...probably due to thinking we still own all of our sovereign states :grin:

I fail to see what i've spent on music in my lifetime has to do with the legality of downloading and distributing copyrighted material?

79p for a track from iTunes and a tenner or so for an album? I don't see that as particularly expensive. In fact, that's cheaper than when I used to buy music as a kid. Everything else I buy has gone up in price, yet this has got cheaper.

Whilst you may or may not be downloading or distributing, the black and white fact is those that do ARE breaking the law. This is akin to the many examples of taking things I have already given.

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #43 on: 30 July 2011, 10:34 »
I can't really be 4rsed to argue....but :grin: music and films only cost as much to make in the production sense because people are greedy...why is Tom cruise paid what he is for example? Because the film company believe they will get £x turnaround in sales revenue...pay less, bringing down production is one way, the other is digital media. It costs very little to supply digital versions to Apple and any storage costs are negated as wharehousing isn't needed by the film company or Apple and the same goes for music. Greedy feckers really. And that's why I disagree with digital media costs. Same way that CD against vinyl was BS and the industry answer to justify their argument that CDs weren't cheaper to make was dealt with by raising vinyl prices! They would have more support if they lowered the cost to the consumer instead of being greedy.

As for album prices being better at £10 I remember £3:99  :grin:

As for legality of making a copy for own use... :rolleyes:

I have that much music on vinyl I have to take out specialist policies that cover up to £100,000. I performed as a DJ and paid into the PRMS via means of this as all clubs pay and DJs pay is reflective. Anyhoo won't say any more on this

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #44 on: 30 July 2011, 10:55 »
I can't really be 4rsed to argue....but :grin: music and films only cost as much to make in the production sense because people are greedy...why is Tom cruise paid what he is for example? Because the film company believe they will get £x turnaround in sales revenue...pay less, bringing down production is one way, the other is digital media. It costs very little to supply digital versions to Apple and any storage costs are negated as wharehousing isn't needed by the film company or Apple and the same goes for music. Greedy feckers really. And that's why I disagree with digital media costs. Same way that CD against vinyl was BS and the industry answer to justify their argument that CDs weren't cheaper to make was dealt with by raising vinyl prices! They would have more support if they lowered the cost to the consumer instead of being greedy.

As for album prices being better at £10 I remember £3:99  :grin:

As for legality of making a copy for own use... :rolleyes:

I have that much music on vinyl I have to take out specialist policies that cover up to £100,000. I performed as a DJ and paid into the PRMS via means of this as all clubs pay and DJs pay is reflective. Anyhoo won't say any more on this

The same could be said about F1 drivers, premier league football players, or even top level bankers. In competitive markets, no one will pay the top level less as they'll simply go to the competitor.

Actually, Apple will take 30% of the sale straight off. Add in everyone elses time to get that song to a point of sale - writer, performer, studio, mastering, marketing etc - and thats not a lot of profit per sale.

The more people who distribute the same track for free, the less that buy it, meaning the more they have to sell to maintain the same level of profit, or maintain the price point. If they reduce the costs, they will make less money. The argument of them reducing prices to stop piracy will never work either, not unless they gave the tracks away.

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #45 on: 30 July 2011, 12:46 »
A lot of the money from CD sales is the mark up price by retailers.
HMV used to aim for a 40%-50% mark up on the dealer price (I'm not sure if they still do since they've all gone tits up)
So say a CD was £10, only £4-£5 would go to the record label.
Minus marketing, distribution, packaging, pressing etc on what would be considered the average record deal there's not a lot left.

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #46 on: 30 July 2011, 12:50 »
I read somewhere that people who download media illegally also make up the majority of paid for media as well.  That is to say, they download stuff illegally, but also pay for more legal media than most ordinary people.

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #47 on: 30 July 2011, 14:44 »
I always download MP3's then buy the CD if I like it cause I like having an actual copy of the album and the sound quality is better. Then I just copy it for the car.

EDIT: Yes I am fully aware you can download in FLAC. :rolleyes:

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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #48 on: 31 July 2011, 10:01 »
how can they tell if im streaming legally or acquiring a few bluray films?

Quite easily with packet filtering, though it would increase latency.

I dont think they can really if you set your programs up right, I download games through steam and other programs legally all the time but have also downloaded illegally in the past through newsgroups. As long as you set the grabber up properly they cant tell what your downloading
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Re: BT Ordered to Block Pirate Sites
« Reply #49 on: 31 July 2011, 10:27 »
If you think this won't descend to censorship and seizures of websites without any appeals process them you're fooling yourselves. Google USA ice website seizures. That branch of the USA government is seizing website ip addresses with impunity. I'm sure this government will be following close behind.