Car gone for remap! + Problems start

[Carbon-Chiptuning]

Hi MaXXeH,

To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!

For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files

SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!

All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.

It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.

With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:

0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!

They have massive differences in the software code area.

Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.

I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without  being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU?

Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes  the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)

239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?

Keep us all posted.........

Nick – Carbon Chiptuning

239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?  Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs.

I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download. And with Med9 as long as the Bosch numbers, hardware numbers and software numbers all match there will be NO issues. Infact its even worth flashing the car with the latest sw version if the tuner has the file to hand which will have the highest S00** number for is the tuner IDs 1K0907115F S0009 then the better files would be S0019 which is the latest dealer update.

Your file will be one of the following, this is a my database to the lastest dealer sw versions if a car come in with a later software version we would upgradet the get to the very latest sw version then map the car using the correct version. 
There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car.

“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?  Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:”

OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!

No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?

“I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download”

LOL! You’ve not been on CMD’s database before then! To call it sparse would be kind 

Anyway, at the end of the day we all have our own way of doing things and all we can do is put forward the way we work and any information supporting that methodology:

I know for a fact that not all cars will get the latest S/W revisions installed @ VW - it comes down to a number of things, the hardware and options on that particular vehicle that can only be checked via chassis number, also some software revisions are to address specific running issues on a vehicle and if a vehicle is not suffering with these problems VW will not apply the update – it is not as simple as the highest number is the latest/best update.

We will never try and do a ‘VW software update’ for our customers.

“There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car”

Slightly off topic as we are talking about VW ME9 but what about Renault dCi EDC16 and many IVECO ECU’s with the chassis number in the flash?

Ford EEC-V with unique file checksum for every car?

I think you could call them unique

[MaXXeH]

god you tuners    round 3 

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“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?  Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. ”

OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!

No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?

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The car was standard when it was mapped, 239BHP was with a standard engine with a evom air intake.( it did run OK, but loads of flat spots)

I then installed,  HPFP, K04, S3 injecters, Full miltek system, THS IC,Neuspeed Hi-Flow Turbo Discharge,Neuspeed Hi-Flow Intercooler Pipe.
Then the car was not happy 

[CardinalC]

Hey guys!  I normally spend time on the Mk6 section, but as I've just bought a late Mk5 GTI I've been spending time over here also.

As I was reading this thread I was recounting the discussion I had the seller of the car in which I asked if it had been modified in any way.  He replied no and I duly passed on the same response when asked by insurance company.  What's concerning me now is how can I be sure?  Both my insurance cover and the outstanding warranty are potentially at risk.  What's the best way to confirm this?  Should a visit to a remapper on the cards?  What about your typical VW dealer, would they be able to confirm this?

Appreciate your thoughts.

[MaXXeH]

just put the car on a rolling road mate

[RTechUK]

Hi MaXXeH,

To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!

For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files

SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!

All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.

It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.

With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:

0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!

They have massive differences in the software code area.

Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.

I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without  being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU?

Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes  the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)

239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?

Keep us all posted.........

Nick – Carbon Chiptuning

239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?  Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs.

I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download. And with Med9 as long as the Bosch numbers, hardware numbers and software numbers all match there will be NO issues. Infact its even worth flashing the car with the latest sw version if the tuner has the file to hand which will have the highest S00** number for is the tuner IDs 1K0907115F S0009 then the better files would be S0019 which is the latest dealer update.

Your file will be one of the following, this is a my database to the lastest dealer sw versions if a car come in with a later software version we would upgradet the get to the very latest sw version then map the car using the correct version. 
There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car.

“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?  Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:”

OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!

No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?

“I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download”

LOL! You’ve not been on CMD’s database before then! To call it sparse would be kind 

Anyway, at the end of the day we all have our own way of doing things and all we can do is put forward the way we work and any information supporting that methodology:

I know for a fact that not all cars will get the latest S/W revisions installed @ VW - it comes down to a number of things, the hardware and options on that particular vehicle that can only be checked via chassis number, also some software revisions are to address specific running issues on a vehicle and if a vehicle is not suffering with these problems VW will not apply the update – it is not as simple as the highest number is the latest/best update.

We will never try and do a ‘VW software update’ for our customers.

“There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car”

Slightly off topic as we are talking about VW ME9 but what about Renault dCi EDC16 and many IVECO ECU’s with the chassis number in the flash?

Ford EEC-V with unique file checksum for every car?

I think you could call them unique

I am talking about VAG ecus as it 90% if what we do and its a VAG forum, I know a few brands have unique files, ford carry the VINs in the maps ect, BMW edc16 the same HW/SW then SWR so if SWR aint correct the the engine wont run, and sw can clash with gearbox canbus.

All the big name tuners like Revo and APR all use latest SW revision during a remap session if a car comes in with S0008 the it will go out with S0010 its the correct way to do it, and old AUM 2001 032DR HW887-SW128 should be mapped to SW 272 as the 272 was a dealer update sw and make the car run much better in stock from AND once remapped, and the like of Revo, APR and myself have been doing this since day dot with VAG and Vauxhall.

But like you say all tuners work in differing ways, we work in a way that keep customers happy the car and engines safe and customer feedback topped up.

[RTechUK]

just put the car on a rolling road mate

Keep me up dataed m8 

[The Doc]

You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car    It ensures that nothing goes astray..........

As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.

Thats just what Rhyso said

You can't use ANY GTI map as there are various software / hardware versions and it's always best that you have the original file where possible from your car.

 

[tech1889]

god you tuners    round 3 

Tell me about it they are both crap.. AMD FTMFW !!! 













Disclaimer - I am joking guys 

[RTechUK]

You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car    It ensures that nothing goes astray..........

As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.

Read the thread, as long as the Bosch number and hardware numbers match and sw code match then the correct matching file CAN be used.  115T comes with 3 sw version all will work 100% but the best version to use would be the latest UPDATE version based on the S0000 numbers.

You can argue all day long and miss inform that forum, but the truth is what I am stating, it's the way I work, it's the way revo and apr and other tuners work.  A whole production line of 1000 cars come off the production Line all the same modle and spec all of the 1000 car will have the exact same map on there ecu and won't change until a dealer sw update is out to iron out code bugs.

I have nothing to gain or lose by giving this information, I just like forums members to be informed on the actual facts...  I am not a salesman I am a tuner who has a passion for tuning not, starting dealers up, companies up everywhere to get sales. One company many many years of happy feedback on many forums to what we do. 
 I have wrote 1000s of map to VAG ecus over the years,  and if I have been doing it wrong don't you think I would have 1000s of unhappy customers???

Thats just what Rhyso said

You can't use ANY GTI map as there are various software / hardware versions and it's always best that you have the original file where possible from your car.

 

[MaXXeH]

LOL!!