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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #160 on: 15 January 2012, 09:23 »
I think the point is wide winter tyres = skinny normal tyres in winter conditions, if you can't get a wheel for, say a 165 tyre on your mk6 then you will indeed need a winter tyre

When I had a 206 last winter I went to work every day it snowed (guilfdford to goodwood a283) no dramas whatsoever and there are some steep hills on that route. That had skinny cheapo tyres on it that probably cost 25 quid each. Havent had a chance to snow drive in the mk4 but i guess that would be useless because the tyres are 205 and eagle f1's

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #161 on: 15 January 2012, 09:54 »
isn't it to do with surface area and spreading the weight of the car over this area?

Wider tyres spread the weight of the car over a larger area and therefore increases the chances of the car "floating" over the snow rather than cutting through it to the road surface.

If the tyres are narrow the weight of the car is spread over a smaller surface area and thus the tyres have a better chance of cutting through the snow.

I didn't to GCSE physics so I could be talking out of my bum. If someone could throw up some kind of official sounding theory that would be great.


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« Reply #162 on: 15 January 2012, 11:48 »
Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.


I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.


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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #163 on: 16 January 2012, 00:05 »
isn't it to do with surface area and spreading the weight of the car over this area?

Wider tyres spread the weight of the car over a larger area and therefore increases the chances of the car "floating" over the snow rather than cutting through it to the road surface.

If the tyres are narrow the weight of the car is spread over a smaller surface area and thus the tyres have a better chance of cutting through the snow.

I didn't to GCSE physics so I could be talking out of my bum. If someone could throw up some kind of official sounding theory that would be great.

To some degree, yes...you are correct.
However, it's more about compound and tread pattern.

Would a 225 wide tyre be worse on snow than a 165 wide tyre? Probably...given the tread pattern and compound were the same.
Would a 225 wide winter tyre be worse on snow than a 165 wide slick tyre? Unlikely.

If you want to fit winter tyres - or skinny tyres - just for in the snow...than fine...but you could also fit chains.
however, most of us want the ability to drive their cars normally when it's not snowy...and I'd like to see the insurance company pay up if I binned my Mk6 GTI on 165 wide tyres.
Fitting the standard sixed tyre but in a winter compound does not affect the insurance, means I can use it in the snow, and still go the top speed in Europe with correctly speed rated tyres.

Comparing narrower tyres with wider tyres...there will be a difference, if you go to extremes.
But my father uses 205/50/16 winter tyres on 6.5" wide wheels his Mk5 GT170 TDI and I use 225/40/18 winter tyres on 8.0" wide wheels...and there is NO obvious difference in the cars abilities....
Make of that what you will.

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #164 on: 16 January 2012, 00:08 »
Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.


I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.



Rallycross cars use studded /spiked or heavy blocked tyres and are driven with all 4 wheels spinning to some degree, as with WRC cars.
Road cars just need the ability to find more traction for pulling away and better braking.

Would you be faster A to B on a set of rallycross skinny studded tyres? Yup...but who with half a brain drives their road car in that manner on the public road in winter?  :grin:

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #165 on: 16 January 2012, 00:21 »
Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.


I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.



Rallycross cars use studded /spiked or heavy blocked tyres and are driven with all 4 wheels spinning to some degree, as with WRC cars.
Road cars just need the ability to find more traction for pulling away and better braking.

Would you be faster A to B on a set of rallycross skinny studded tyres? Yup...but who with half a brain drives their road car in that manner on the public road in winter?  :grin:

Not me  :lipsrsealed:  :grin:

I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW  :wink:

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« Reply #166 on: 16 January 2012, 00:32 »
I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW  :wink:

I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
Worth every penny.

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #167 on: 16 January 2012, 00:39 »
I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW  :wink:

I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
Worth every penny.


Thanks! I will get some of those then  :smiley:

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #168 on: 16 January 2012, 12:00 »
I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
I have them and was disappointed. I had skidding around corners I never did in summer tyres. I had wheelspin despite moderate throttle and low temps ~5-6*C. But today was -2.5*C and there was no wheelspin. There was no skid. Pure grip. Didn't push it because I want to get to and from work safely but definitely impressed more today than I have been since I bought them.

What pressures are you running? Standard? Vreds website say 46-51psi!!!

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Re: winter tyres
« Reply #169 on: 16 January 2012, 18:19 »
I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
I have them and was disappointed. I had skidding around corners I never did in summer tyres. I had wheelspin despite moderate throttle and low temps ~5-6*C. But today was -2.5*C and there was no wheelspin. There was no skid. Pure grip. Didn't push it because I want to get to and from work safely but definitely impressed more today than I have been since I bought them.

What pressures are you running? Standard? Vreds website say 46-51psi!!!

I run them when the temps are consistantly below 6ish because my Goodyear F1s are sooooo bad in the cold.
I run standard pressures front and rear, and never have a problem with them.

Certainly they really only shine when the temperature is below 0 C.

At below 0 C I can't get out of the driveway with the summer tyres on...but last winter at -10 C I could drive around on the Vredesteins like I could at 10 C with the Goodyears on.

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