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Offline Hurdy

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #30 on: 03 January 2011, 12:22 »
Okay, okay fella's here we go, an honest unbiased account of how good the ED30 is.

As standard the Edition 30 is a decent car, when modified it is a very good car. It will never be the fastest car on the planet due to being fwd, but as it is fwd it is safer at the limit than say a BMW 1 series.

Edition 30's do have some faults, but all cars of all makes do.

Typical faults are...

Cambelt squeal when cold, this can be sorted under warranty and if the car is outside warranty the cambelt, water pump and tensioner are changed at 4 yrs anyway - cost £300-400. I deliberately ran mine for a full 3.5 yrs without changing and it had the squeal at around 3yrs old. I was putting 440bhp and 510lbft through the car and the belt was still going strong when I sold it, so it isn't really a dealbreaker when buying a car.

Cam follower issues. As long as you chack it annually then there should not be any issues with it. Edition 30's tend to have the 2 piece cam, which isn't prone to wearing the cam follower as much as the single piece ones in the early GTI's.


Creaky steering wheel column. Not a big issue on the ED30, but on the early GTI's was an issue and subject to quite a few warranty claims.

Front brakes - On both the GTI and the ED30 are woefully underpowered for the car. VW should have really at least matched the front brakes of the R32 with them or specified better pads.

Suspension. As standard the ED30 suspension can be a little crashy on uneven roads. It is still way better than most other makes of hot hatches (Astra VXR and R26R are big culprits for poor comfort through the suspension). This is one area that I thought the standard GTI seemed better in. It maybe subjective as everyone tells me that the suspension is exactly the same, but I'm still even now not 100% that they REALLY are!

Turbo lag. Again the standard GTI is better in this department than the ED30. There isn't much in it, but I can tell the difference. A remapped GTI is a little belter and would be preferable over a standard ED30 in performance if that is all you wanted to do.

DSG issues - this is probably one of the most contentious issues for any VW golf MKV. There have been numerous faults with the DSG and if they occur out of warranty (as many now are) they can prove very costly as VW still insist on replacing the whole gearbox or the whole mechatronics unit instead of allowing individual parts to be replaced. The new DSG units in the MKVI and Audi's are second generation and not prone to as many failures as the 6 speed version, but are still relatively new, so issues may take a while to turn up.

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Offline Egbutt Wash

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #31 on: 03 January 2011, 18:46 »
Okay, okay fella's here we go, an honest unbiased account of how good the ED30 is.

As standard the Edition 30 is a decent car, when modified it is a very good car. It will never be the fastest car on the planet due to being fwd, but as it is fwd it is safer at the limit than say a BMW 1 series.

Edition 30's do have some faults, but all cars of all makes do.

Typical faults are...

Cambelt squeal when cold, this can be sorted under warranty and if the car is outside warranty the cambelt, water pump and tensioner are changed at 4 yrs anyway - cost £300-400. I deliberately ran mine for a full 3.5 yrs without changing and it had the squeal at around 3yrs old. I was putting 440bhp and 510lbft through the car and the belt was still going strong when I sold it, so it isn't really a dealbreaker when buying a car.

Cam follower issues. As long as you chack it annually then there should not be any issues with it. Edition 30's tend to have the 2 piece cam, which isn't prone to wearing the cam follower as much as the single piece ones in the early GTI's.


Creaky steering wheel column. Not a big issue on the ED30, but on the early GTI's was an issue and subject to quite a few warranty claims.

Front brakes - On both the GTI and the ED30 are woefully underpowered for the car. VW should have really at least matched the front brakes of the R32 with them or specified better pads.

Suspension. As standard the ED30 suspension can be a little crashy on uneven roads. It is still way better than most other makes of hot hatches (Astra VXR and R26R are big culprits for poor comfort through the suspension). This is one area that I thought the standard GTI seemed better in. It maybe subjective as everyone tells me that the suspension is exactly the same, but I'm still even now not 100% that they REALLY are!

Turbo lag. Again the standard GTI is better in this department than the ED30. There isn't much in it, but I can tell the difference. A remapped GTI is a little belter and would be preferable over a standard ED30 in performance if that is all you wanted to do.

DSG issues - this is probably one of the most contentious issues for any VW golf MKV. There have been numerous faults with the DSG and if they occur out of warranty (as many now are) they can prove very costly as VW still insist on replacing the whole gearbox or the whole mechatronics unit instead of allowing individual parts to be replaced. The new DSG units in the MKVI and Audi's are second generation and not prone to as many failures as the 6 speed version, but are still relatively new, so issues may take a while to turn up.


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Offline simonpolly

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #32 on: 03 January 2011, 19:24 »
Quote from: for my reference later only
Too nuch lag
ragged to death
so nightmare buying used
other than that there ok 
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( but the TFSI engine is bullit proof )!!! Rubbish
i think your very mislead by your statement
(no more reliable, actually worse than some other makes of the run of the mill perfomance hatch engines)
for example:
camshaft and cam follower issues
water pump impellers falling off
inlet valve problems
tumble valve issues
dv valve problems
Failed belt idler pulleys
i could go on,  but it appears you have been suckered by the  typical VW advertising i am afaid 
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VW tech good guess
the amount of rough Ed 30,s we see makes us laugh, they tend to all be bought by the same type of folk, u know the ones that used to buy Subaru,s a year or two ago,
that said I am not knocking them, there are better and worse cars around but very few proper clean ED30,s
just as I say don't believe the hype thou
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Not true i think, you would find more them in non franchised network as you cant afford the labor rates.
You want to pay more money for a ED 30 which is after all a  de-tuned Audi S3 without 4wd, shonky interior build, and a few extra badges then fine.
My Missus runs a Mk5 GTI so you cant say i'm a hater, sorry.
That said i wouldnt buy one if i didnt work on them.
Just dont make them out to be something there clearly not
(No better or worse than any other hot hatch on sale)
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let me point this out it's the same car nothing special off the same prodution line, u just got lucky 3rd time of trying l.o.l

 You are believing the hype chap ( advertiser's dream) !
Loving the black wheels very nice!

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This is why i always came to forums. Not the bickering, not the pat on the backs, not the modding, not the blinkered owners but people who work on the cars, see them regular, who know the faults and let everyone know. This imo is what forums should be about, and what they use to be about, not all the other stuff, i wish more people would do it.



Off topic, but unlike some i would like to know these type of things, so i know what to maybe look out for in the future. If you know of common faults and issues on the mk6 GTI please feel free to PM me and let me know. Either now or in the future when more come to light.
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Geoff.

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #33 on: 05 January 2011, 00:20 »
Exit left Ed30 show-offs after Hurdys post.

Not a sniff of them now. :grin:
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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #34 on: 05 January 2011, 09:26 »
Exit left Ed30 show-offs after Hurdys post.

Not a sniff of them now. :grin:
.........yet more bull s**t from the great man. :smug:
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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #35 on: 05 January 2011, 18:14 »
I haven't been on this site for some time due to one thing or another, but thought I would have a quick butchers as I'm about to put my Ed30 on the market.

I can honestly say the Ed30 is the best car I have ever had and I still get a smile out of driving it. I can not say how much better it is, if at all from the standard GTI as although I have driven the GTI I haven't owned one so am not qualified to compare. I have however had a number of high performance cars in the past including a 911, but the Ed30 wins hands down due to its practicality, subtlety and accessable performance as well as the  :cool: stats I can get on the climate display such as oil temp and true speed - yes I'm easily pleased  :grin:.  I can honestly say I have never really noticed much in the way of turbo lag. The Fiat Coupe Turbo I  owned from new was another matter............ :evil:

Finally, before you all ask, I just fancy a change after 3 and a half years ownership. If I could afford the new car and keep the Ed30 I would  :cry:
MkIV GTI PD150 sold, now FOR SALE MkV GTI Ed30, Reflex Silver, 07, manual, 5 Dr, 29.5k miles, 1 owner from new, xenons, cruise, park sensors, ugraded VW stereo and sound system, MFSW, Armrest, sunroof, immaculate never raced or thrashed, totally original, For Sale - PM me for details.

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #36 on: 05 January 2011, 20:38 »
Nice to see an old poster hully!!

Welcome back

Nice to see you still have the eddy.


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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #37 on: 05 January 2011, 21:11 »
Nice to see an old poster hully!!

Welcome back

Nice to see you still have the eddy.


Thanks Steve, I know I should have been on here more than once in the last 3 years or so! Unfortunately she has to go, but it has been brilliant.  :smiley:
MkIV GTI PD150 sold, now FOR SALE MkV GTI Ed30, Reflex Silver, 07, manual, 5 Dr, 29.5k miles, 1 owner from new, xenons, cruise, park sensors, ugraded VW stereo and sound system, MFSW, Armrest, sunroof, immaculate never raced or thrashed, totally original, For Sale - PM me for details.

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #38 on: 05 January 2011, 21:34 »
I bought a new red dsg ED30 in may 2008 i have only 15,000 miles on it. i have never raked it to death i have never even used the launch control it has been a fantastic car no trouble with it at all

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Re: Edition 30! how good are they really?????
« Reply #39 on: 05 January 2011, 21:36 »
Exit left Ed30 show-offs after Hurdys post.

Not a sniff of them now. :grin:

Passes shovel to Egbert :laugh: