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Offline Nutkins

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DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« on: 24 October 2010, 16:31 »
Just wanted to ask other DSG owners if their gearbox behaves the same as mine. In 'D' at slow speeds it will stay in 2nd until pretty much at a standstill. Sometimes you can even feel it slipping the clutch to remain in 2nd. In 'M' it will grab first once the revs are pretty low / you're at creeping pace. I find this annoying, as say you're going to turn into a side road and slow down to make the turn, you would normally want to be in 2nd gear. In 'D' this is fine and unless you come to a complete stop in will hold 2nd. However in 'M' in will sometimes grab first and you pull off faster / rev'ier than is required.

You can test this if you're creeping in traffic (say off the brake but with no throttle). In 'D' it's in 2nd, knock it over to manually and it drops to first.. Knock it back to 'D' and it'll take 2nd again! Slipping the clutch if it needs to, unless you come to a total stop and it will drop to first.

I want 'M' to behave like 'D' in this regard.. Has anyone else observed the same behaviour with their DSG box?

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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #1 on: 24 October 2010, 16:49 »
That is why a fully manual hand job always wins over an automatic or semi-automatic one. :tongue: :grin:
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #2 on: 24 October 2010, 22:05 »
If you want to decide which gear you're in you need a manual.

Otherwise the car decides.
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #3 on: 24 October 2010, 22:20 »
If you want to decide which gear you're in you need a manual.
Otherwise the car decides.

He just wants to have his cake and eat it! :rolleyes:
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #4 on: 25 October 2010, 09:56 »
If you want to decide which gear you're in you need a manual.

Otherwise the car decides.

Or put it in Manual and then you decide  :smiley:
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #5 on: 25 October 2010, 10:00 »
However in 'M' in will sometimes grab first and you pull off faster / rev'ier than is required.

When in "M", mine only changes into first if the engine is going to stall so haven't seen this problem.
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #6 on: 25 October 2010, 20:06 »
However in 'M' in will sometimes grab first and you pull off faster / rev'ier than is required.

When in "M", mine only changes into first if the engine is going to stall so haven't seen this problem.

Cheers Mike - I'm not sure it's a problem though, really seems to be a 'behaviour'. I'd love to try another one to compare. Could you try what I suggested maybe next time you're creeping along (no throttle)? Switch between 'D' and 'M' and see if it will stay in 2nd gear in 'M'?

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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #7 on: 25 October 2010, 20:16 »
Nutkins, I just tried it on the way home and it is the same as yours but only sometimes, flicking back from M to D it sometimes picks 2nd in D but then if I accelerate slightly and then let it slow to a crawl it seems to stay in 1st.

Maybe it depends on the way it is driven as the DSG is supposed to adapt to your driving style.  :smiley:
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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #8 on: 25 October 2010, 22:05 »
Thanks Mike - it certainly feels like it's doing it 'by design'. At times you can really feel it slipping the clutch to stay in 2nd gear.. Only does it in D though. In M it definitely drops to 1st a lot sooner. Only at very low revs, but it doesn't do the clutch slip certainly.

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Re: DSG gear change behaviour at slow speeds
« Reply #9 on: 25 October 2010, 22:16 »
I drove a MK5 DSG for five years before the MK6 and there are definitely some differences in the programming of the box.

In the MK5 when in 'D' you wouldn't notice the down changes when coming to a stop, the MK6 still seems to blip the throttle.
'D' mode was a lot more relaxed in the MK5, in the MK6 it is nearly like a half sport mode.

The down changes when driving enthusiastically are much faster in the MK6.

Still love it and don't think I could ever go back to a standard manual.
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