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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #10 on: 30 July 2010, 09:21 »
the problem is most of the carb guru's have retired nowadays  :grin:


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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #11 on: 30 July 2010, 09:28 »
Or is it that emissions laws have been tightened and electronic control has advanced a very long way?
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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #12 on: 30 July 2010, 09:34 »
Carbs can be better than injection if set up properly, but the other alterations you need to do make it unviable. (ECU, CAT, etc. etc)

So throttle bodies is the only realistic option.
Believe me I would love to run a twin set of double choke Webers..........

Carbs CAN be better than injection, if the injection system is restrictive or limited in it's adaptability.
Digi  3.2 is not.
The whole injection system is good for 190+ BHP if mapped correctly and when used with more aggressive cams.

On standard cams, changing to carbs would give little peak power gains over a re-mapped Digi 3.2 set-up, and you'd still need some means of controlling the spark - ideally fully mappable, so you'd need Magajolt or similar.
Failure to map the ignition would leave you with similar peak power to Digi 3.2 but with flat as a fart midrange and an effective power/torque drop through the rev band.

As has already been said, you would also kill the cat, so you'd need to remove it...and you'd fail the MOT.
It's just not worth it.
Especially downgrading a fully engine managed 16v to run stone-age approximately fuelled carbs.

Carbs can give good gains...once you get into wilder cams...but those wilder cams also bring the problems of jetting into play. Big peak power numbers, but awful drivability and midrange...whereas ITBs allow the same (if not higher) peak power numbers to be made but with perfect road manners and a much improved midrange.

Have many people ever run DCOEs?
They sound great...but are a pain. Always going out of adjustment, coughing and spluttering through the midrange, they won't idle when the engine is cold etc.

As for sounds, ITBs and carbs sound alike...

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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #13 on: 30 July 2010, 09:36 »
the problem is most of the carb guru's have retired nowadays  :grin:



..and along with them, the stocks of jets, emulsion tubes, chokes etc have dissapeared.

The art of balancing DCOEs with a length of hosepipe has long gone.
Many 'tuners' look baffled when they can't upload a new map with a laptop.
Shame really...

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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #14 on: 30 July 2010, 09:38 »
As for sounds, ITBs and carbs sound alike...

carbs go bwwwarp

bodies go thhhwarp
 
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both sound amazing

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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #15 on: 30 July 2010, 09:40 »
I have dual Carbs on my Mini and they sound awsome, but i would have thought that after balancing them and tuning them for MoT it would not be worth it?
However if you willing to put the time and set them up - Haynes do a really good carb book - It will be worth it :D
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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #16 on: 30 July 2010, 10:59 »
With carbs you get a constant fuel flow, its always there.

The only way it could be done properly is to remove ALL the sensors etc, scrap the ECU and use a TDC sensor and an electronic dizzy.
So no CAT or lambda etc. etc. therefore MOT problems!


Oh and I do know people that can tune DCOE carbs!  :wink:
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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #17 on: 30 July 2010, 13:35 »
So no CAT or lambda etc. etc. therefore MOT problems!

Sounds like you shoulda got a Golf2, Len.  :grin:
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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #18 on: 30 July 2010, 14:53 »
I ran 4x45s on my old mk1....earth shaking noise but pain in the arse to get set up.

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Re: Running Carbs On An ABF
« Reply #19 on: 30 July 2010, 15:15 »
Carbs are a pain in the ass!!!! I hated them on the 5GTT I even thought about a custom manifold to run injectors i hated them that much! If they are not set right a lot of things can & do go wrong, your always fiddelling with them  :laugh:
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