8 or 16V - settled!

[Blue MK2]

8v's are slow. even i say so myself coz i drive one.
its a fact so lets leave it here

[Gambit]

Do they have the same gearing then?

in laymans terms - yes
in stato terms - no

2nd gear in a 16v is slightly shorter. the 2nd ratio will get a 16v to 60mph & no more - this was to get the quick 0-60 time

5th gear is also slightly shorter

but tbh you'd hardly notice it, and loads of 16v owners run 8v boxes

[rustynuts]

The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.

[Alexg40]

The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.

I think the key peice of information from that statement is 1.98v.

It's a bigger engine. Where's the comparison? 

[VeeDubGTI16v]

its like tim at the phirm said, you can bore out, fit cams etc to an 8v and it will keep up with a standard 16v. but then put cams in a 16v and whoop any modified 8v

[Rain]

you all forget that g60/rallye is an 8v with a supercharger.

[Blue MK2]

you all forget that g60/rallye is an 8v with a supercharger.

represent 

[VeeDubGTI16v]

and the limited is a 16v with a supercharger 160bhp vs 210bhp

[tinman]

The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.

most 16vs you come across today are well past their sell by dates. 16vs were thrashed from the start, and every owner will continue to thrash them. so when you start comparing a "standard" 16v against a modified 8v - its not even a fair comparison.

and as for all the 16vs that i've come across that are modified dont exactly live to expectations, so dont expect them to be quick either.

this pissing contest is also becoming fairly immaterial - the cars we are talking about are nearly 14 years old at their youngest! The oldest 16vs are pushing 18.

[rustynuts]

Talking about a cars age is rubbish, there are plenty of 150k plus valvers out there pushing 150 bhp plus with just the WUR mod. That they are 18 years old is immaterial. They are no slower now than they were when they sold new (in fact usually they are quicker)

As for comparing my 1.9 to a standard 16v, why not, we are talking same power bracket and that puts both engines on a level playing field so the comparison can be made to show that the low down grunt of the 8v pulls my Mk2 away from similar powered 16v Mk2. Now if this topic was about standard cars then of course 16v's are going to be the best choice.