Can't make up my mind: R or GTI? Please help.

[Ess_Three]

Which is why inever understood why you would want to trail brake in a AWD car. you better off getting back on the power to bring the back end round.

On a fixed split 4WD system with a rearward bias, yes.
Like on a Subaru STI with the centre diff wound back...sure.
But on a predomanantly FWD based system, where - if the front has traction - there can only be 50% torque to the rear anyway...you just push wide equally from both driven axles..
Adding more throttle won't always bring the back round on a Haldex car.

for what its woirth the the R32 is actually better balanced than the GTI

Better balanced how?
It has more weight than needed front an rear...yeah.
It's not the sharpest chassis though is it?

[p3eps]

I must be one of the few people who are pleased at the lack of V6.
I never bought an R32 because of the high fuel / tax costs.  The new R is win win for me... great performance, great looks and better running costs.

OK, the noise won't be as good, but you can't win them all!

[Jkctr]

I must be one of the few people who are pleased at the lack of V6.
I never bought an R32 because of the high fuel / tax costs.  The new R is win win for me... great performance, great looks and better running costs.

OK, the noise won't be as good, but you can't win them all!

The problem is you had the S3 if 100 pound more a year tax was a problem and about 4-5mpg less round town 

Now theres an S3 or an S3 with a VW badge.

[Ess_Three]

Now theres an S3 or an S3 with a VW badge.

Or, alternately:
An 'S3' but without having to drive round in the suburban equivelant of a large pen*s, trying to impress all the neighbours with your Audi.

I wouldn't have an Audi parked on my driveway until the image improves....it's that bad around here.
1 x Audi on driveway = good.
2 x Audi on driveway = better - and all the better for the stupid suburban 'best dressed driveway' competition.

No thanks..

[Tailpipe]

Now theres an S3 or an S3 with a VW badge.

Or, alternately:
An 'S3' but without having to drive round in the suburban equivelant of a large pen*s, trying to impress all the neighbours with your Audi.

I wouldn't have an Audi parked on my driveway until the image improves....it's that bad around here.
1 x Audi on driveway = good.
2 x Audi on driveway = better - and all the better for the stupid suburban 'best dressed driveway' competition.

No thanks..
 

That's funny.

[Ess_Three]

That's funny.

Sadly, around here, it's true.
All the saddos were in BMWs 5 years ago...then SUVs 2 years ago...now it's Audis.
Never in the garage - can't impress the neighbours with ones Audis locked away...

And normally an S-Line. Looks just like an S/Rs you know? 

Click. Aim. Bang.
 

[FroGTI]

All the saddos were in BMWs 5 years ago...then SUVs 2 years ago...now it's Audis.

Lol, it's exactly the same over here in France. Morons sans frontières

As for the R/GTI debate: if the R looked exactly the same as the GTI, I'd get it, if only for the 4wd. But IMHO, it looks vulgar, so I wouldn't.

[p3eps]

But IMHO, it looks vulgar, so I wouldn't.

Most people complain that the R doesn't look different enough to a GT to warrant its huge price tag.
Personally I feel the R is more subtle than the GTI.

At the time (almost 3 years ago) when I was buying my car, an ED30 with xenons, Highline, center armrest and rear tints was a few £'s away from £23k.  The R32 (which had the xenons, highline and armrest as standard) was going to cost me £23850.  However, an S3 was going to cost almost £29k - which wasn't an option back then.

Now I'm sitting looking at these numbers, the new R had better be good since its costing almost £12k more than my ED30!!  Ok, it has a LOT more options specced, but that only covers about £5k 

[Jkctr]

Now theres an S3 or an S3 with a VW badge.

Or, alternately:
An 'S3' but without having to drive round in the suburban equivelant of a large pen*s, trying to impress all the neighbours with your Audi.

I wouldn't have an Audi parked on my driveway until the image improves....it's that bad around here.
1 x Audi on driveway = good.
2 x Audi on driveway = better - and all the better for the stupid suburban 'best dressed driveway' competition.

No thanks..

You wouldnt buy a very good car, which an audi is, because of image 

[p3eps]

You wouldnt buy a very good car, which an audi is, because of image 

I wouldn't buy an S3 because they look horrible!  Is that the same thing?