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Offline spoolking

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Horror stories
« on: 03 December 2009, 01:44 »
R-Tech = well over 2750 cars with 1.8T remaps over the last 5 year, most pushing 200bhp+.  Horror stories = 0 (as far as I know if there is any I would love to know about them)

All of our customers will get educated on who to care for the car with the remap, and the all understand what add on mods are good and bad.  Ie A cone filter is a no no, Blow off type valves no no, Good fuel is a must, good oil is a must. letting the car warm up and cool down. ect.

Bits of the car that fail will fail even if the car is stock, coil packs, mafs, boost pipes vac leaksand clutch ect.

I am happy seeing car go out of the workshop pushing close on 230bhp from a remap.
Get the lambda, running richer top end for cooling not peak power, timing right and boost right then all will be fine. One element wrong and disaster could happen, unknown remaps, rushed remaps and DIY remap give the trade bad name.

And to add Bens own 1.8T AUM has 160k on the clocks its Been remap for around 30k I think and running maops from 200bhp to 241bhp, thrashed to feck, over 300 hours flat out and under full held load on the rolling road to adjust our lambda and load maps ect.. and the car is still 110% perfect ans never had a major issue with the engine or turbo only a clutch.

I am sure Kev at Revo will have a simlar story to tell but with over 10,000 happy customers and I am also sure there own car will be running a bit more power than the average joes car.. grin.


A good idea is to replace the weak parts prior to the remap, the DV is the first thing to fail, i would bet £10 that you dv is feck and still you will be running close on to 150bhp from your stock map.

You can always add to a spec1 remap to complement the power upto 222bhp.. much smugness
We can offer RR runs with pre and post power remap result with power at wheel flywheel and tranny losses.

Nick


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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #1 on: 03 December 2009, 14:50 »
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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #2 on: 03 December 2009, 15:31 »
Well you said you would love to hear about a horror story if ever one accured.

2750 cars = 1 horror story

Not blaming anyone and im well aware that R -tech is a Established company with alot of respect but just how much testing have done on the effects of your ever changing remaps?

Dont worrie i will tell my story soon enough just as soon as i have some pictures and sorted out this hell of a mess that I myself have got myself into. But beware young guys speed kills and not just people!  :cry:

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #3 on: 03 December 2009, 17:52 »
The changes to the remap as to delivery not power?  The me7.5 is a load request ecu and all the mapping is based around the load only.

What problems have you had?

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #4 on: 03 December 2009, 18:29 »
sounds like he crashed with his extra boost  :laugh:

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #5 on: 03 December 2009, 20:42 »
sounds like he crashed with his extra boost  :laugh:


i recon engine damage mesen

please ignore the above argument and continue with your stories dont feel the need to defend your self just say what you need to say and be done. 

 Pipes blows due to higher boost pressure is not really a problems as its expected. Anyone had engine Damage?

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #6 on: 03 December 2009, 20:53 »
sounds like he crashed with his extra boost  :laugh:

Just spoke to Spoolking on the phone and its worse case, piston melted at high rpms, new block needed.

Sounded like a fuel pump issue to me, there is a thermal protection map in place to stop high temps at high rpm the protection maps dumps fuel into the engine to help cooling, but if the fuel pump is weak the engine will run lean and hot and the thermal protection map will be asking to the fuel but there wont be enough fuel pressure or flow to protect the engine, over a long period at close to the red line the engine will fail due to being too lean.  

 I got a members car in from uk-mkivs.net which has been mapped by another tuner, by the looks of it in the past it has melted the engine, blown turbo ect.  the car come to us the have the brand name remap removed and for us to load the r-tech remap, but within 10mins on the dyno with the ori map on the car we found the car was running a very very lean lambda of 18:1 /19:1 @ 5000 to 7000 rpm which was the cause of the original engine and turbo going pop.  It was found that fuel filter was blocked which causeed the pump to work over time and become weak.
We also saw this on Barry_Gti's AUM at JKM rolling road day, the car made 212bhp with a failing fuel pump which would only fuel to 14:1/15:1 not major lean but enough to cause damage if left too long,  new pump and filter fitted with in 2 hours and the car was running back on full power 220bhp with a lambda of 12.5:1 and 11:1 when it we got it heat soaked on the dyno.

If you ask Barry_Gti, there are NO symptom of a weak fuel pump or runningn lean, the car will run and feel spot on and even make good power on the dyno, at the same time being on the verge of melting a piston or turbo, nor will there be a fault code and this apply to remapped cars no matter who remapped and stock engines will also have the exact same issues.

To make sure your fueling ok you will need to log channels 31 Lambda spec/actual with vagcom, this can be tested on a remapped or stock engine.

 
Channel 31: Lambda Reading or A/F Ratio

This value is particularly important to be viewed and interpreted only when the car is under full throttle input as lifting up on the throttle will result in funky numbers. Take your log in third gear (or higher if your local authorities will allow) from 2500rpm or so until redline. The values you will see are: 1 = 14.7:1 ratio, .85 = 12.5:1 ratio, .75 = 11:1 ratio. As you have probably figured, simply multiply the lambda value by 14.7 to obtain the ratio.  A car that runs 14:1 (lambda value of about .95) all the way up to redline on increased boost is running a bit lean. Conversely, a car that is running 10:1 (lambda value of about .70) from idle to redline is running a bit rich. Remember that lean is your ultimate enemy. Running too lean for too long will spell disaster for the motor. Ideally you would like to see the A/F pass linearly from the factory 14.7:1 at idle towards 13:1 in the mid rpms (3500rpm or so) to at least 12:1 at redline (NOTE: New FSI platforms are running approximately 10.5:1 at WOT). This would show a car that is getting good fuel mileage under easy driving, but richens up nicely as you wind it out under full throttle to redline. This would make you feel at ease driving the car under high load conditions at high speeds (freeway cruising at 120mph) or using the car for frequent track days.

 
Example of manifold injection performance tuned a/f ratio readings: (NOTE: New FSI will request richer mixtures than this such as Lambda = .75 up top):

RPM Lambda
2500 .99
2750 .95
3000 .95
3250 .95
3500 .90
3750 .90
4000 .90
4250 .85
4500 .85
4750 .85
5000 .85
5250 .85
5500 .85
5750 .85
6000 .80
6250 .80
6500 .80
6750 .80
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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #7 on: 08 December 2009, 19:22 »
Sry guys im very busy atm running and catching the bus everywhere and i also have alot stuff out side of work going soon. Stay tuned and i will be posting Full pictures and my take on thw whole matter! 

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #8 on: 08 December 2009, 20:40 »
Sry guys im very busy atm running and catching the bus everywhere and i also have alot stuff out side of work going soon. Stay tuned and i will be posting Full pictures and my take on thw whole matter! 

what u mean by take on the whole matter , as re-building the engine yourself or something else as i dont wanna say ..?

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Re: Horror stories
« Reply #9 on: 08 December 2009, 21:23 »
Well the tone of his posts suggest he feels it's all R-Tech's fault or they are at least partly to blame. While this maybe true I find it hard to believe they've been negligent or really screwed something up.

Nick