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Offline Ess_Three

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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #20 on: 19 November 2009, 09:08 »
If you guys fancy a 911, save up for the the late 997 gen 1 or gen 2. (The interior quality is leagues ahead when compare with 996) You can drive these car everyday (My boss does in his 997 Turbo) but you need to be covered by a very comprehensive warranty. Any mechanical breakdown (Clutch, gearbox), expect 4 figures bill! If you kerb the Carrera Sport 19s and fancy a new one from your local Porsche centre-£850 exc. tyres!

I agree about the quality of the 997 vs 996 interior...but the 996 interior isn't actually bad to live with. The leather scuffs no more or less than the 997 stuff, everything works...it's just less showy.
The 997 looks better inside...but in daily life, works no better...and in some ways the 'cooking' 997s are less 911 like in their drive - so if you want a normal car that looks like a 911 - get a 997.
If you want a car that behaves like a 911 of old with all the nose bobbing, pitching about the diagonal etc that they are known for...get a 996 or earlier.

All Porsche wheels are expensive!
996 GT3 Mk2 / C4S GT3 style wheels are nearly £1000 each...and they are 18s!


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The only 996 I will buy is the 996 GT3 (2003 model). Most road tester rate it as one of the best 911 ever. The engine block originate from the Le mans race car in 1997 and had been proven to be very reliable. Although there is not much electric gizmo in the car, this means less thing that will go wrong!

The C4S was also hightly rated as one of the best 911s ever...and costs substantially less to run/repair than a turbo.
also worth considering for sheer point to point pace.

Sadly, it's the additional stuff that goes on 996s - coolant radiators, air con radiators, coil packs...and they are common GT3/the rest...so although getting a GT3 will probably remove the RMS issue (solved in the main part by fitting a revised 997 seal) you are still at the mercy of the rest.



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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #21 on: 19 November 2009, 13:20 »
I agreed--Driving a 997 gen 2 in normal road, it's very hard to tell whether it is a rear or mid-engine when compare with a 996. Unless you drive the car when the PASM in sport mode; you can then feel the nose bobbles on bumpy corners when pressing on.

My point is owning a 911 is a dream that can be realised if one work hard enough. If one wants to run a Ferrari or Lambo you need much deeper pockets!

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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #22 on: 19 November 2009, 14:14 »
I agreed--Driving a 997 gen 2 in normal road, it's very hard to tell whether it is a rear or mid-engine when compare with a 996. Unless you drive the car when the PASM in sport mode; you can then feel the nose bobbles on bumpy corners when pressing on.

Yup, spot on.
I found Gen 1 PASM too harsh for NE Scotland roads in sport mode...it was FAR harder than the 996 with factory Lowered & Uprated Chassis kit.
Too hard to use...

Gen II (facelift 997) is much 'better'.


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My point is owning a 911 is a dream that can be realised if one work hard enough. If one wants to run a Ferrari or Lambo you need much deeper pockets!

Absolutely...
mine didn't cost anymore to run in terms of petrol, tyres, brakes, bushes/track rod ends etc than my 8L S3 did over the same timeframe/milage.
Naturally the insurance was a bit higher (£200-300 PA) and the Warranty was expensive (£1350) but the day to day running was not.

The two you mention, or an Aston Martin, are in a whole different league. The 4 yearly 'Big' 996 service was £890...my mate paid £1800+ for his 1st (1 year) service on his Vantage. No thanks...

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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #23 on: 19 November 2009, 15:01 »
Hard to believe they charge that sort of money just for an oil and filter change! After talking myself out from buying a Ferrari last year (Ok mileage F430+a rubbish car vs Low mileage F355+Golf GTI vs New Gen2 997 C2S+Golf GTI) everytime I saw a red F430, I still wonder whether I made the right choice!


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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #24 on: 19 November 2009, 15:49 »
After talking myself out from buying a Ferrari last year (Ok mileage F430+a rubbish car vs Low mileage F355+Golf GTI vs New Gen2 997 C2S+Golf GTI) everytime I saw a red F430, I still wonder whether I made the right choice!

But everytime you see a service bill, you know you made the right choice!

I would say Ferrari running costs = Porsche running costs x 2 or 3.
Heaven forbid you ever need to replace parts for stone chip damage on one of the red things...headlight cost? Windscreen cost? Ouch!





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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #25 on: 20 November 2009, 08:35 »
You are quite right! A Ferrari can only be a third car. I hope I can have one one day!
One thing I am absolutely sure is picking the Golf GTI over the Focus RS and Mazda MPS. My 1st GTI really surprise me. Im in love with it already. No wonder it got such a wide fan base!

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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #26 on: 20 November 2009, 12:59 »
I would defo have the Porsche  :cool:
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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #27 on: 20 November 2009, 15:55 »
I would defo have the Porsche  :cool:

Why do you have a little quad then?
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Offline simonpolly

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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #28 on: 21 November 2009, 16:32 »
Here are the figures I came up with (over 3 years):

2005   New   2008
997 C2S   VW Golf Mk6 R   VW Golf Mk5 R32
Purchase price    £40,000.00     £34,000.00     £21,000.00
Residual value    £30,000.00     £17,000.00     £12,000.00
Depreciation    £10,000.00     £17,000.00     £9,000.00
Insurance    £2,400.00     £1,500.00     £1,500.00
Servicing    £1,000.00     £250.00     £500.00
Warranty    £4,050.00     £-       £500.00
Tyres    £3,000.00     £1,000.00     £1,000.00
MPG   20   35   30
Miles   30,000   30,000   30,000
Fuel Price    £1.10     £1.10     £1.10
Fuel Cost    £7,500.90     £4,286.23     £5,000.60
Total Cost    £27,950.90     £24,036.23     £17,000.60
Yearly Cost    £9,316.97     £8,012.08     £5,666.87
You left out road tax .
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Re: 7 year old 911 turbo or new GTI?
« Reply #29 on: 22 November 2009, 00:01 »
Those figures are just barmy.
£250 to service a Golf R over 3 years???

I'll bet the spreadsheetist is a civil servant.
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