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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #30 on: 07 November 2009, 23:20 »
I just dont understand what's so special about Xenon lights that warrants the price? How do they cost that much more to manufacture, can anyone explain technically how much more complicated/expensive they are to make? I have a Xenon torch and it didnt cost much at all.

Your xenon torch is just a normal incandescent bulb like those that have been available for more than 100 years. The 'xenon' moniker comes from the fact that the filament is surrounded by xenon gas rather than the more usual halogen, krypton or argon/nitrogen mix. You can also buy xenon-filled conventional headlamp bulbs, which allow the filament to burn hotter and thus brighter. The 'xenon' headlamps optional on the Golf and others are correctly termed  'gas discharge' or 'high intensity discharge' (HID) lamps and are a quite different technology. Rather than a glowing filament, these HID lamps use a high voltage to create an electrical 'arc'. The result is a brighter, whiter light which consumes less power and gives better vision.

A standard Golf headlamp consists of little more than a couple of single or twin filament bulbs and a silvered plastic reflector.

An HID is far more complex. As mentioned earlier in this thread they require an electronic 'ballast' to provide and regulate the high voltages required to create and maintain the arc light source. Together with a more complicated bulb design, this electronic module is an additional source of cost. The light from an HID is so much brighter than a conventional headlamp it requires a projector lens system rather than a simple reflector. In an HID lamp the dipped and main beam both come from the same source so the optics of the projector heed to be adjustable. HID headlamps are also required by legislation to have automatic self levelling which requires sensors, stepper motors and control electronics. Headlamp washers are also required and on the Golf these not only use a larger fluid reservoir but are retractable. Plus the new Golf HID's introduce the cornering function, which I am sure adds further complexity to the system as the lamp can move both up and down and from left to right. All this adds significant extra cost.

Finally, the marketing and sales departments both deem all the added benefits and 'premium perception' of optional HID technology worthy of a larger margin, hence the prices we are asked to pay.
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #31 on: 07 November 2009, 23:40 »
Thanks, well explained.
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #32 on: 07 November 2009, 23:50 »

thanks mac7  :cool:

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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #33 on: 08 November 2009, 00:11 »
I just dont understand what's so special about Xenon lights that warrants the price? How do they cost that much more to manufacture, can anyone explain technically how much more complicated/expensive they are to make? I have a Xenon torch and it didnt cost much at all.

Your xenon torch is just a normal incandescent bulb like those that have been available for more than 100 years. The 'xenon' moniker comes from the fact that the filament is surrounded by xenon gas rather than the more usual halogen, krypton or argon/nitrogen mix. You can also buy xenon-filled conventional headlamp bulbs, which allow the filament to burn hotter and thus brighter. The 'xenon' headlamps optional on the Golf and others are correctly termed  'gas discharge' or 'high intensity discharge' (HID) lamps and are a quite different technology. Rather than a glowing filament, these HID lamps use a high voltage to create an electrical 'arc'. The result is a brighter, whiter light which consumes less power and gives better vision.

A standard Golf headlamp consists of little more than a couple of single or twin filament bulbs and a silvered plastic reflector.

An HID is far more complex. As mentioned earlier in this thread they require an electronic 'ballast' to provide and regulate the high voltages required to create and maintain the arc light source. Together with a more complicated bulb design, this electronic module is an additional source of cost. The light from an HID is so much brighter than a conventional headlamp it requires a projector lens system rather than a simple reflector. In an HID lamp the dipped and main beam both come from the same source so the optics of the projector heed to be adjustable. HID headlamps are also required by legislation to have automatic self levelling which requires sensors, stepper motors and control electronics. Headlamp washers are also required and on the Golf these not only use a larger fluid reservoir but are retractable. Plus the new Golf HID's introduce the cornering function, which I am sure adds further complexity to the system as the lamp can move both up and down and from left to right. All this adds significant extra cost.

Finally, the marketing and sales departments both deem all the added benefits and 'premium perception' of optional HID technology worthy of a larger margin, hence the prices we are asked to pay.

Good explanation, then you spoit it by leaving that stupid sentence at the end.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #34 on: 08 November 2009, 00:14 »
Bonfires out, kids are asleep, wife's in bed... why am I here writing about headlights??  :shocked:  :grin:
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #35 on: 08 November 2009, 00:21 »
Bonfires out, kids are asleep, wife's in bed... why am I here writing about headlights??  :shocked:  :grin:


because your wife and kids would laugh at you if they caught you doing it in front of them?  :laugh:
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #36 on: 08 November 2009, 00:41 »
Do you drive at night?
If so so do you you drive on C roads?
If so so don't buy HID lights.

You'll be blinded by ever car coming the other way.

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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #37 on: 08 November 2009, 01:05 »
Do you drive at night?
If so so do you you drive on C roads?
If so so don't buy HID lights.

You'll be blinded by ever car coming the other way.



Xenons are excellent for c roads
Tips for night driving- as you sound to be having trouble:
Never stare at oncoming headlights, gaze slightly to the left
If you are dazzled slow down a little.....if you can't do this.....
Possibly don't drive at night. Just stop complaining about xenons.
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #38 on: 08 November 2009, 01:10 »
My Jag and RR had them.
Everyone flashes you.
Might just be a Cumbria thing.
But if you townies do come up here DRIVE CLOSE TO THE HEDGE.
So many townies drive with a  3 foot gap.
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Re: Bi-Xenons are so frickin cool
« Reply #39 on: 08 November 2009, 01:17 »
My last 3 cars have also had xenons... I've had the occasional flash as I live in rural Yorkshire, I just flash them back to show them my lights can get brighter aswell  :evil:
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