Retrofit Dynaudio & DAB?

[AdrianM]

Philistines - you spout on about how good dynaudio is, but none of you have bothered to listen to a decent hifi system   

I think the most expensive stereo system I've listened to had a price tag of almost £200,000. It was all way overpriced of course but those JBL Everest speakers were awesome.

Then again, its women who have a lot better appreciation of sound and more readily notice changes. Quite often i've swapped speaker cables, interconnects or just mains cables for the girlfriend in another room to say my hifi sounds different.

Actually, unless a speaker cable or interconnect is badly designed it will sound just the same as any other. Expensive esoteric audio cables that are marketed at the technically ignorant and gullible are another unfortunate sign of the "age of the ipod". And FWIW, lossless iPod audio will sound as good as audio from just about any other hardware - assuming you have it playing on good IEM instead of those standard iPod buds.

ah, contentious issue cheap verses high end cables!

It is only contentious among those that do not know what they are talking about.

Any audio or electronic engineer worth their salt will tell you the same.

[gossa]

Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?

[AdrianM]

Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?

Yes, or they are pandering to the esoteric audiophile industry that pays for the advertising and hence the salaries of those same journalists.

[percymon]

I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail.  I certainly can't hear, for example, the peddles of a piano moving on any of my ipods, or my partners mini hifi set up, or lesser cables in my system. Whether you want to is a matter of personal taste. Whether my set-up is everyones idea of what the original should sound like is another matter again.

Back on subject then...Dynaudio...

better quality components than the stock speakers - tick ?
better positioning of the components - possibly ?
better mounting of the components - probably not
better sound - probably

[Snoopy]

Well in that case most of the journalists who write for any AV mag/website don't know what they are talking about?

Thats true.
(ex Arcam engineer)

[AdrianM]

I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail. 

Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.

What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.

[VWKev]

I just listen to what my ears tell me - and my cables do reveal more detail. 

Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.

What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.

Adrian, do you have a Golf GTI ?

[Snoopy]

Actually that's not your ears, it's your mind modifying your perception of what you hear. Seriously, it's been tested to death and I've yet to read of a blind test where anyone has been able to tell the difference between one set of cables and another but beforehand they would have sworn on their kids lives that they could.

For others in this thread, In the frequency range we are talking about, upto around 20Khz cables/connectors are defined by there LCR properties, thats inductance, capacitance and resistance, nothing more. These are at such a low magnitude below lengths of 50Metres of cable that they are insignificant unless you have a bad joint, oxidisation on terminals etc.
(E&E R&D engineer)

What you will find very rarely is that some of the more expensive esoteric cable manufacturers will insert some electronics in the cables that alter the sound in some way like attenuate the higher frequencies. A bizarre thing to do really considering that they always claim "transparency" or some such tosh when in fact they are using the cable as a crude EQ device. I mean, seriously, if you want to EQ something you don't use a cable to do it.

We lol when we took a MIT cable tobits.

[Rolfe]

We lol when we took a MIT cable tobits.

Do tell!

Rolfe.

[Snoopy]

MITinterconnect

Those do effect LCR.