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[Wayne]

Is the Corrado not based on a mk2. 

No, it's not actually, not when you look at the bits that make it go...
It has a Golf VR6 front end (suspension arms, hubs, steering rack, ARB, engine, gearbox, brakes) with a Passat rear beam & brakes.
No Mk2 bits in there at all.

So it's actually a Golf 3 / Passat hybrid...not Mk2 as those who have never had one / worked on one suppose.

Golf VR6 to Corrado VR6 main difference = negative camber on the Corrado.
Add that to the Golf 3, with a similar spring/damper set up and they drive the same...so not so hard to make a Golf 3 handle then?

looking at a race prepped one last weekend the floorpan is identical to a mk2's. so the shell is based on a mk2

the vr6 has a mk3 axle setup, but the g60 down all have a mk2 axle setup at the front. most rado owners agree that the g60 handles better than the vr6, but thats down to the engine weight and position

passat rear beam setup = mk2 but a bit wider

so yeah its based on a mk2

I was thinking the same so just checked Wikipedia and they say it is a Golf mk2 front and and a Passat rear.

Conceived as a successor to the successful Scirocco, it is a three-door hatchback with a 2+2 seating layout. The Corrado used Volkswagen's B3 platform in the rear of the car, while using the A2 platform technology up front, which it shared with the then-current Golf Mk2 and Jetta. It shared many mechanical parts with other Volkswagen A platform cars as well. In 1990 the Corrado went on sale in the United States.

B3
The B3 Volkswagen Passat was the first B platform car to be called Passat in the United States. The B3 was also the first Passat with an independently designed platform, it did not share parts with Audi models. Instead, the design borrowed heavily from the Volkswagen Group A2 platform.

Volkswagen Passat B3 (Typ 35i, 1988-1993; 1990-1994 in US)
Volkswagen Corrado (1988-1995, hybrid platform with A2)
The "B3" designation is also used to refer to the "Typ 89" version of the Audi 80/90 produced from 1987 to 1992 and the "Typ 8B" Audi Coupé and S2. However these are not based on the same platform as the "B3" Passat.

A2
A2 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):

Volkswagen Corrado (53I) (hybrid platform with B3)
VW Golf Mk2 (19E)
VW Jetta II (19E)
SEAT Toledo Mk1 (1L)
Chery A15

[Ess_Three]

looking at a race prepped one last weekend the floorpan is identical to a mk2's. so the shell is based on a mk2

Shell isn't based on anything...it's bespoke.
Running gear is Mk3 based...on a VR6 - which is what we were talking about.

Looking at the platform - which I'm sure you'll agree means more thyan the 'shell - a Corrado is closer to being a Passat coupe, than a Mk2 coupe.

the vr6 has a mk3 axle setup, but the g60 down all have a mk2 axle setup at the front. most rado owners agree that the g60 handles better than the vr6, but thats down to the engine weight and position

Interesting that the G60 wasn't rated as being as good handling by the media...despite the Corrado owners obviously knowing better.

passat rear beam setup = mk2 but a bit wider

Like a Mk3 then?

If you care to search ETKA, you'll find more in common with a Mk3, than Mks - on a VR6 Corrado - which was what we were speaking about

[Ess_Three]

im sure theres more to it than that. have you had a tape measure across the suspension turrets on both models for example?

having never driven a vr6 im not really in a position to comment

Not when you set them up with aftermarket suspension, there isn't...
I've driven/owned them, so can tell you from experience.
The part numbers on some of the kits are the same too...so add the same suspension settings in, and there is NO difference between a C VR6 and a Mk3 VR6 handling wise.

[Ess_Three]

I was thinking the same so just checked Wikipedia and they say it is a Golf mk2 front and and a Passat rear.


Conceived as a successor to the successful Scirocco, it is a three-door hatchback with a 2+2 seating layout. The Corrado used Volkswagen's B3 platform in the rear of the car, while using the A2 platform technology up front, which it shared with the then-current Golf Mk2 and Jetta. It shared many mechanical parts with other Volkswagen A platform cars as well. In 1990 the Corrado went on sale in the United States.

B3
The B3 Volkswagen Passat was the first B platform car to be called Passat in the United States. The B3 was also the first Passat with an independently designed platform, it did not share parts with Audi models. Instead, the design borrowed heavily from the Volkswagen Group A2 platform.

Volkswagen Passat B3 (Typ 35i, 1988-1993; 1990-1994 in US)
Volkswagen Corrado (1988-1995, hybrid platform with A2)
The "B3" designation is also used to refer to the "Typ 89" version of the Audi 80/90 produced from 1987 to 1992 and the "Typ 8B" Audi Coupé and S2. However these are not based on the same platform as the "B3" Passat.

A2
A2 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):

Volkswagen Corrado (53I) (hybrid platform with B3)
VW Golf Mk2 (19E)
VW Jetta II (19E)
SEAT Toledo Mk1 (1L)
Chery A15

Wikipedia wrong?
Heaven forbid…

How about checking ETKA?
I have Corrado front arms, balljoints, hubs on my Mk3…they came off a Corrado VR6 I broke.
If they were Mk2, they’d be 4 stud…and non-Plus suspension.
The engine (VR6), gearboxe (02A), steering rack, arms, balljoints, hubs etc are all Mk3
Not Mk2.
Give Wikepedia it’s due…it does state that the Corrado is a hybrid B3 platform – Passat…a Passat/Mk3 hybrid, as I said earlier.

[Horney]

Not wishing to pee on your cornflakes Ess_Three as generally you speak the truth but in this instance you are in fact slight;y wrong. The Corrado is a hybrd MKII/Passat beastie. The fact the MKIII shares the VR6 bits is beacuse they were robbed from the Corrado VR6 to put on the Golf III. The early corrado's are all MKII front set up and then the VR and later 16v's were wide tracked and this is the stuff they used on the MKIII golf. The Corrado uses a MKII Golf floor pan, and the rear part of the chasis legs up to the suspension points and then has a B3 floorpan at the rear with the Karmann body on the top. It really is a bit of a parts bin special.

nick

[Wayne]

Not wishing to pee on your cornflakes Ess_Three as generally you speak the truth but in this instance you are in fact slight;y wrong. The Corrado is a hybrd MKII/Passat beastie. The fact the MKIII shares the VR6 bits is beacuse they were robbed from the Corrado VR6 to put on the Golf III. The early corrado's are all MKII front set up and then the VR and later 16v's were wide tracked and this is the stuff they used on the MKIII golf. The Corrado uses a MKII Golf floor pan, and the rear part of the chasis legs up to the suspension points and then has a B3 floorpan at the rear with the Karmann body on the top. It really is a bit of a parts bin special.

nick

Thank you Nick, I was thinking that was the case.

[VeeDubGTI16v]

i thought you were talking about all corrados tbh

think about it, corrados with mk2 engines will have a mk2 setup and corrados with mk3 engine will have mk3 setup.

anyway didnt the corrado come out before the mk3? how can a car be based on a car that hasnt been released yet?

[Wayne]

i thought you were talking about all corrados tbh

think about it, corrados with mk2 engines will have a mk2 setup and corrados with mk3 engine will have mk3 setup.

anyway didnt the corrado come out before the mk3? how can a car be based on a car that hasnt been released yet?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Ess_Three]

anyway didnt the corrado come out before the mk3? how can a car be based on a car that hasnt been released yet?

When did the Corrado VR6 get released?
When was the Mk3 Golf released?

I had a L plate Corrado VR6...one of the early ones...and the Mk3 VR6 was out then.

Go and trawl through ETKA and tell me how many of the bits that account for drive and handling are shared with as MK2 compared to a Mk3.

Do you all understand platform sharing?
Platforms exist before somebody puts a body on them.


The fact remians, the Corrado VR6 is a Mk3/Passat hybrid...with less in common with the Mk2 than either of those two...and since we are universally agreed, the Corrado VR6 shares it's front end 'bits' with a Golf Mk3...it should come as no surprise to hear that you can make a Golf Mk3 VR6 handle like a Corrado VR6.
 

[VeeDubGTI16v]

yes the vr6 has a mk3 front axle. we have established that. repeatedly

have a read mate, we are talking about corrados in general. the vr6 wasn't the only model

i dunno why your getting defensive about the mk3, i was saying how well they can be made to handle earlier in the thread!