tsr pack A???

[Ess_Three]

Spending a lot of money and building a show car is one thing, to try and make a bad handling and not that quick car as standard by spending £2k to me is pointless, starting with a mk2 would be a better bet as it lighter.

This is where you are showing your ignorance...
Mk3 isn't much heavier than a late Mk2 when you get them lightened a bit...and with a significantly stronger 'shell, you end up with a stiffer platform to mount the suspension.

Take both to the extreme, and the weights will be similar...Mk2 needs more of a cage as the base shell os not as stiff (more weight) but Mk3 has wider track. Road car vs road car...the lighter Mk2 vs stiffer Mk3 with better brakes.

I was quicker round Knockhill in my Mk3 8v than my mate in his Mk2 16v (both road cars...both on uprates suspension and wheels/tyres)

So you take a heavy, ill handling Mk3 and spend a few £1000 wisely and you will be bang on Mk2 pace...

The Mk2 accellerates quicker, the Mk3 brakes better.

Can you tell me why a Corrado VR6 handles better than a Mk3 VR6?
It's not much...I can assure yoiu...minor tweak that turns a turd into one of the best handling FWD cars ever.

[VeeDubGTI16v]

mk3's arent that bad once sorted tbh, its the standard car thats dire. there was a very quick mk3 vr6 at the vee festival.

dont tell the mk2 boys i said that though!

[Horney]

mk3's arent that bad once sorted tbh, its the standard car thats dire. there was a very quick mk3 vr6 at the vee festival.

dont tell the mk2 boys i said that though!

Yeah that MKIII VR was sooooo much better than the MKII VR which just understeered around the circuit all day!

Nick

[VeeDubGTI16v]

Can you tell me why a Corrado VR6 handles better than a Mk3 VR6?
It's not much...I can assure yoiu...minor tweak that turns a turd into one of the best handling FWD cars ever.

because vw put some springs from a matress on the vr6 which resulted in boat like handling. the corrado vr6 handles very well (2nd best fwd to the integra back in the day)

[Wayne]

Spending a lot of money and building a show car is one thing, to try and make a bad handling and not that quick car as standard by spending £2k to me is pointless, starting with a mk2 would be a better bet as it lighter.

This is where you are showing your ignorance...
Mk3 isn't much heavier than a late Mk2 when you get them lightened a bit...and with a significantly stronger 'shell, you end up with a stiffer platform to mount the suspension.

Take both to the extreme, and the weights will be similar...Mk2 needs more of a cage as the base shell os not as stiff (more weight) but Mk3 has wider track. Road car vs road car...the lighter Mk2 vs stiffer Mk3 with better brakes.

I was quicker round Knockhill in my Mk3 8v than my mate in his Mk2 16v (both road cars...both on uprates suspension and wheels/tyres)

So you take a heavy, ill handling Mk3 and spend a few £1000 wisely and you will be bang on Mk2 pace...

The Mk2 accellerates quicker, the Mk3 brakes better.

Can you tell me why a Corrado VR6 handles better than a Mk3 VR6?
It's not much...I can assure yoiu...minor tweak that turns a turd into one of the best handling FWD cars ever.

Is the Corrado not based on a mk2. 

[VeeDubGTI16v]

yes it is

Yeah that MKIII VR was sooooo much better than the MKII VR which just understeered around the circuit all day!

Nick

ex vw cup car i believe, its a seriously well developed car.

[Ess_Three]

Is the Corrado not based on a mk2. 

No, it's not actually, not when you look at the bits that make it go...
It has a Golf VR6 front end (suspension arms, hubs, steering rack, ARB, engine, gearbox, brakes) with a Passat rear beam & brakes.
No Mk2 bits in there at all.

So it's actually a Golf 3 / Passat hybrid...not Mk2 as those who have never had one / worked on one suppose.

Golf VR6 to Corrado VR6 main difference = negative camber on the Corrado.
Add that to the Golf 3, with a similar spring/damper set up and they drive the same...so not so hard to make a Golf 3 handle then?

[Ess_Three]

because vw put some springs from a matress on the vr6 which resulted in boat like handling. the corrado vr6 handles very well (2nd best fwd to the integra back in the day)

Indeed it does...so if you put similar springs and dampers, with similar suspension angles onto a Mk3 Golf (which is lighter) what happens to the handling difference?

[VeeDubGTI16v]

looking at a race prepped one last weekend the floorpan is identical to a mk2's. so the shell is based on a mk2

the vr6 has a mk3 axle setup, but the g60 down all have a mk2 axle setup at the front. most rado owners agree that the g60 handles better than the vr6, but thats down to the engine weight and position

passat rear beam setup = mk2 but a bit wider

so yeah its based on a mk2

[VeeDubGTI16v]

because vw put some springs from a matress on the vr6 which resulted in boat like handling. the corrado vr6 handles very well (2nd best fwd to the integra back in the day)

Indeed it does...so if you put similar springs and dampers, with similar suspension angles onto a Mk3 Golf (which is lighter) what happens to the handling difference?

im sure theres more to it than that. have you had a tape measure across the suspension turrets on both models for example?

having never driven a vr6 im not really in a position to comment