tsr pack A???

[Horney]

Been meaning to read Ess-three's thread!  :embarassed:

Thats why I am thinking about carbs as then you can do away with the abf management! You can get an electronic dizzy from Mallory or Lumenition.

Carbs is stooopid on an ABF. You all ready have an engine with all the sensors you need to run ITB's and Megasquirt (or other). What's the point in taking a backwards step in fuel management by fitting carbs?

Nick

Can't you tweak them a little more to gain more BHP?

In days gone by when comapring to older fuel injection systems but modern ITB's correctly set up with good management will produce more power and use less fuel than a set of carbs.

Carbs do sound ace though!

nick

[Len]

Its just a thought Nick!  

Just starting out on a long road of discovery and investigating ALL possibilities!

[paultownsend]

im not all that. i cant fix the bloddy idle on my abf conversion! but i can work a spanner.
iv done alot of research because im tight  
a sh!te analogy. you can but a bloody nice suit from paul smith. lovely fit and the colour you want. or you could go to savile row and get custom fitted for a little more £. the experts not (relatively) mass produces
the big brand tsr head will be fantastic, but more can be had

a local lad to me has bike tb's on his abf. r1 i think. with megajolt i think. got it up and running real cheap. on the same rr (dyno dynamics so very accurate) his made +20hp +18lbft up on mine (digi 3.2). no headwork and bodge manifold. it sounds like thor! i heard it minutes before i saw it. so responsive once warmed up. but before that? they have no cold idle controll, so as a daily, very hard work to live with. track car? perfect!  believe danny_p is brewing one up now!

[Len]

Well mine wont be a daily! Have the Passat for that. Wont be a track car either. It will be a very fast road car with very little compromise.

[paultownsend]

as long as you get rid of the lights and them wheels it will be 

[paultownsend]

and to put this 8v/16v thing to bed. my mk2. i had a 2.0 8v. big valve head. newman 268'. ported inlet and exhaust manifolds. it made 138hp and 145lbft. and it cost a fortune to build.
i then put in a 16v abf running digi 3.2. 149.5hp 139lbft. same jetex exhaust as the 8v. also the same lightened fly and aug 020 box.
the only difference i can tell is the 16v has a little less grunt at the lower end. not worrying. but i can still potter around at 30 in 5th everywhere.
yet, where the 8v, even with its oversized valves and longer duration, higher lift cam, used to run out of puff at 6k, the 16v pulls to 7k and gets there a hell of alot quicker.
my favorite piece of private track, a long'ish straight, the car is a good 20mph quicker. thats off the clock blasting through 3-5 between 5-6.5k in all gears.

with a ported head and matched inlet track/ex. custom fueling map, this car will be a daily animal

[Wayne]

and to put this 8v/16v thing to bed. my mk2. i had a 2.0 8v. big valve head. newman 268'. ported inlet and exhaust manifolds. it made 138hp and 145lbft. and it cost a fortune to build.
i then put in a 16v abf running digi 3.2. 149.5hp 139lbft. same jetex exhaust as the 8v. also the same lightened fly and aug 020 box.
the only difference i can tell is the 16v has a little less grunt at the lower end. not worrying. but i can still potter around at 30 in 5th everywhere.
yet, where the 8v, even with its oversized valves and longer duration, higher lift cam, used to run out of puff at 6k, the 16v pulls to 7k and gets there a hell of alot quicker.
my favorite piece of private track, a long'ish straight, the car is a good 20mph quicker. thats off the clock blasting through 3-5 between 5-6.5k in all gears.

with a ported head and matched inlet track/ex. custom fueling map, this car will be a daily animal

So the greatest engine to ever be fitted to a Golf had less torque than the 8V 

[paultownsend]

my 8v made more torque than most. but less hp for some reason. the point is the abf is standard. economically, you could never get an 8v to the same figures a tuned 16v will be producing.
i would love to be able to afford emerald management to get rid of that pesky map sensor. but my shell isnt woth it. guys, if i wer to do another conversion, it'd be a 2.9 vr6 with headwork, increased valve size, short runner intake and cams. monster monster

[Horney]

Having watched a MKII VR6 understeer it's way round Brands at the weekend I'd avoid that lump iron in anything you want to handle like the plague. I stoof next to the car in question when it was parked up in the paddock and 90% of the engine was infront of the wheel centre line!!!!!!!

nick

[Len]

Just for information, had an email from cnc heads and yes they do do a head for the abf, although not shown on their website.
head = £1050
big valves = £400
cams = £500
And another £100 for an infill to the injector holes if you run throttle bodies.

Now I have a starting budget!