The hardest choice of all: GTI or R?

[Vman]

Its going to be interesting to see how the Scirroco R performs against the Golf R and the GTI. VW just need to hurry up and get the both of them out to the press to review asap.

[Ess_Three]

Here are both kerb weights taken from volkswagen.de
They are based on a DSG model before any options added - so I'm assuming this is 3 door?

Golf R: Gewichte Leergewicht 1.541 kg
Golf GTI: Gewichte Leergewicht 1.414 kg

127 is the difference!

Well, well...
With around 25 BHP more actually at the wheels under full load, and around 127 Kg more weight...anyone want to do the maths on power/weight?   

[keelaw]

LOL - well I suspect that the formula will be similar to the R32 vs GTI in mkv days. Ie R32 has more power but the performance will be similar to the GTI. No apparant reason why VW should change this situation.

Still looking forward to seeing the uk prices for an R. For me that will seal it on whether the R is worth it over the GTI.

[Snoopy]

Something i have just read i had forgoton about and from reading elsewere most dealers forget about or don't know is that the haldex oil needs changing at 20k with the oil & filter needing to be changed at 40k worth remembering if you want to look after your lovley new R when you get it.

[JellyCat]

I guess it's all down to taste and if you're happy with the cost of the Golf R.

For me I'm not fussed on the Golf R look. I feel the current GTI mk6 looks way better Front on.

When the Golf R was uncovered a few weeks back thought boo looks bland (sorry just my thoughts), then when my dealer advised Golf R demo car wouldn't be avalible until Dec \Jan for a test drive, I opted for the GTI. Now I've seen the price glad I did (just feel ripped out if I'd got the Golf R, but... if they'd dropped in the v6 from the G36, then I'd have gone for an R.

I wouldn't balk if I won a Golf R in some competion, but I'd probably sell it, stick with the GTI and then spend the cash on an Mk5 R32 and get it pimped up as a track day car (also looks and sounds way better too).

[keelaw]

LOL - well I suspect that the formula will be similar to the R32 vs GTI in mkv days. Ie R32 has more power but the performance will be similar to the GTI. No apparant reason why VW should change this situation.

I stand corrected.  The R is anything up to 1.4 secs faster to 60 than the GTI.  The benefit of more bhp and greater traction from 4WD.  That does go some way to justifying the cost of it, but only some way.   e.g. I've not seen any other stats though as 0-60 is a crude measure. 

[R32UK]

LOL - well I suspect that the formula will be similar to the R32 vs GTI in mkv days. Ie R32 has more power but the performance will be similar to the GTI. No apparant reason why VW should change this situation.

I stand corrected.  The R is anything up to 1.4 secs faster to 60 than the GTI.  The benefit of more bhp and greater traction from 4WD.  That does go some way to justifying the cost of it, but only some way.   e.g. I've not seen any other stats though as 0-60 is a crude measure. 

they are fairly evenly matched from 50-120. After that the R will pull away. I had mine upto 155 and simply did not want to stop... in fact it just seemed like it was getting going

[Snoopy]

As the other thread is locked im guessing by the original poster.
For me the Golf R will have to be a hell of a lot better to drive than the S3 to justify the larger price (~£4K(can get S3s new for £25K), the R's much lower equipment spec and lower badge than the S3, and i just cannot see it from previous drives of haldex equipped cars for it to be that much different. I wait and see but i think people who are ordering before even trying it are simply barmy.

[p3eps]

I was in Audi today between my trips to VW and specced up an S3 - with heaps of toys... and they gave me NINE - yes, NINE percent discount without me even trying!!!!

Still ordered the Golf R though 
£1000 deposit down, and unlikely to be seen before March 2010!
Its gonna be a LONG wait!

[Booski]

SORRY I did not realise it was locked .... It's unlocked again