What is my BHP likely to be for a Mk3 2.0 16v Gti M Reg

[gtigolfthree]

ive heard cars lose bhp over the years but then it all depends on the the conditions the engine was made it and how well its been looked after over the yrs. just out of intrest whats the stanard power for the 8v and the 16v bhp and torque if any one knows!?

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[babyvw]

wow sorry being new forgot tosearch bhp difference is quite big dam

[gtigolfthree]

Sorry its just that its the most asked question in the mk3 section, the answer is 115 for the 8v and 146 or 150 for the 16v depending who you ask. 

[Mikester]

Vr6 175-185bhp before you supercharge it.

No brainer.

[babyvw]

cant wait till im old enought to be able insure a vr6 have always loved that sound...

[Wayne]

ive heard cars lose bhp over the years but then it all depends on the the conditions the engine was made it and how well its been looked after over the yrs. just out of intrest whats the stanard power for the 8v and the 16v bhp and torque if any one knows!?

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=121567.new#new

[DazVR6]

Well im only going by what the graph says, was done at the rolling road day at Awesome gti in april 08, maybe im misreading the graph, anyone check it out and let me know.??

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/rr.gti_050408.html

Mine is the Vr at the bottom of the page, even a video to!

Ahh...Awesome's Dyno...that explains a lot.
Lottery numbers I'm afraid...both on power and power at the wheels.

A Mk3 O2A will loose at least 30 BHP even on an optimistic Dyno...I loose 40-45 easily on every Dyno I've ever used (MAHA, Dyno Dynamics, Sun)

You are reading the graph correctly...but the read-outs are pointless except to see who's numbers are biggest on the day.

Where are the measured variables? Ambient temperature? Barometric Pressure?
Where are the coastdown losses?

You have a chart with good numbers...but totally uncomparable to any other dyno sadly.

A good 2.8 VR6 (slightly tweaked) will make 180-190 BHP with about 150-155 ATW, in my experience, on a reliable dyno.

My car made 151 BHP standard...Lupo GTI made 125 BHP standard, S3 208 BHP standard...my GTI now makes 196 BHP on the same dyno, with about 150 BHP of it actually at the wheels.

Ok.....but my only queary with that is that people like hurdy who attended that day were getting power figures very close to what they expected and had achieved on other rolling roads...why would mine be any different..?

[Ess_Three]

Ok.....but my only queary with that is that people like hurdy who attended that day were getting power figures very close to what they expected and had achieved on other rolling roads...why would mine be any different..?

I've seen re-mapped VR6s with cams not make much over 190 genuine BHP...so to hear about 190+ genuine with a cheap chip seems odd to me...but, dyno lottery and all...

Maybe other people who got the figures they were expecting had only used optimistic dynos previously?
Maybe you have a superb VR6...
Regardless, the early 190+ BHP is possible...but 173 BHP @ wheels is not, based on the 100s I've dyno'd, and seen dynod, over the last 16 years.

I have a friend who has a 2.9 VR6 that makes 175ish at the wheels...and it's a high compression 2.9, lightened and balanced, Blydenstein one-off Big Valve Head (+3mm in, + 2mm ex, lightweight lifters, titanium retainers etc), Schrick 268 cams, Schrick VSR manifold, big TB and bespoke mapping...and it makes nearly 230 at the flywheel...and will stick with 911s from standstill to about 140 MPH. I know as I built much of the engine, and was driving the 911 that couldn't shake him off!
Mid 170s BHP at the wheels takes £1000s to achieve - like £3000 t0 £4000, and a complete engine re-work.

[DazVR6]

Ok.....but my only queary with that is that people like hurdy who attended that day were getting power figures very close to what they expected and had achieved on other rolling roads...why would mine be any different..?

I've seen re-mapped VR6s with cams not make much over 190 genuine BHP...so to hear about 190+ genuine with a cheap chip seems odd to me...but, dyno lottery and all...

Maybe other people who got the figures they were expecting had only used optimistic dynos previously?
Maybe you have a superb VR6...
Regardless, the early 190+ BHP is possible...but 173 BHP @ wheels is not, based on the 100s I've dyno'd, and seen dynod, over the last 16 years.

I have a friend who has a 2.9 VR6 that makes 175ish at the wheels...and it's a high compression 2.9, lightened and balanced, Blydenstein one-off Big Valve Head (+3mm in, + 2mm ex, lightweight lifters, titanium retainers etc), Schrick 268 cams, Schrick VSR manifold, big TB and bespoke mapping...and it makes nearly 230 at the flywheel...and will stick with 911s from standstill to about 140 MPH. I know as I built much of the engine, and was driving the 911 that couldn't shake him off!
Mid 170s BHP at the wheels takes £1000s to achieve - like £3000 t0 £4000, and a complete engine re-work.

My vr wasn't chipped, just standard ecu, was abit suprised about the power at the wheels but not the power at the flywheel as people on vr6oc said that they regularly saw 185bhp+ on standard obd2's and i had a few mods so was expecting 190+.

Ohwell maybe it was a special vr as it couldn't be lost by my ex bro inlaws 300bhp r32 skyline....

[Dan GTI]

cant wait till im old enought to be able insure a vr6 have always loved that sound...

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cant wait till im rich enough to afford the petrol to run a vr6. Have always loved that sound...