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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #90 on: 07 October 2009, 12:03 »
nicks a twit  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Aww I love you too bud. :grin:

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is that the old mk6 chuff , or the new, revamps ( albeit slighty ) mk7 chuff  you love  :grin: :kiss:[

I love all version of you mate, just like I love all versions of Golfs.

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #91 on: 07 October 2009, 12:19 »
XDS is some software update to the TC it's not a big change and they haven't change the body, they just re skinned it. I'm not backing down and I'm not looking for a way out.

I know all about the changes, I went to the launch of the MK6 at my local dealers which i was invited to due being a good customer of theirs.

nick

Regardless of what it is, its another change, how many f**kin changes do you need to hear before you accept its a different car.

Uuurgghhhh I give up I really do. The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5. THe arguement is whether it is a completely new car which it is not, it's an updated MK5. Listing minor software updates, revised seats and some new trim and panels won't change that fact.

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f**k me gently, honestly.

What is a new car to you ?


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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #92 on: 07 October 2009, 12:24 »
The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.

nick

glad you finally agree, its not the same car.   :grin:
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #93 on: 07 October 2009, 12:32 »
The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.

nick

glad you finally agree, its not the same car.   :grin:

yes I agree is not exactly the same car, in the same way that the edition 30 or R32 isn't exactly the same as a MK5 run of the mill GTI. What I don't agree on is that the MK6 is a completely new car, because VW have said it's not a completely new ar but that is a revised and improved MK5. We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.

f**k me gently, honestly.

What is a new car to you ?

One which has been deisgned from the ground up as complete replacement for the outgoing car. The MKII over the MKI, THE MKII over the MKII (alhough they do share some suspension components), The MKIV over the MKIII, The MKV over the MKIV.

All these were completely new cars with less than 10% of anything from the old model carried across, they were all quantum leaps from each other and not just a reskin, some software tweaks and a new interior.

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #94 on: 07 October 2009, 12:35 »
The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.

nick

glad you finally agree, its not the same car.   :grin:

yes I agree is not exactly the same car, in the same way that the edition 30 or R32 isn't exactly the same as a MK5 run of the mill GTI. What I don't agree on is that the MK6 is a completely new car, because VW have said it's not a completely new ar but that is a revised and improved MK5. We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.

f**k me gently, honestly.

What is a new car to you ?

One which has been deisgned from the ground up as complete replacement for the outgoing car. The MKII over the MKI, THE MKII over the MKII (alhough they do share some suspension components), The MKIV over the MKIII, The MKV over the MKIV.

All these were completely new cars with less than 10% of anything from the old model carried across, they were all quantum leaps from each other and not just a reskin, some software tweaks and a new interior.

nick

Tell me what constitues a new car. As in the parts that would need to be chenaged, as in new engine, new shape etc. Tell me exactly what the mk6 would need to be to be a new car from the mk5 in your own words.


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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #95 on: 07 October 2009, 12:40 »
Not based on the mk5 chassis would be a huge step forward  :laugh:

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #96 on: 07 October 2009, 12:40 »
We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.

nick

i've not called you any names whatsoever.  i just said i'm glad you finally agree its not the same car.  :smiley:
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #97 on: 07 October 2009, 12:43 »
And I'm just trying to find what f**kin door I should be going through.


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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #98 on: 07 October 2009, 12:48 »
Tell me what constitues a new car. As in the parts that would need to be chenaged, as in new engine, new shape etc. Tell me exactly what the mk6 would need to be to be a new car from the mk5 in your own words.

Easy 90% of the parts being newly designed and built and not just the old parts in a new dress.

I's mostly down to the shell. For an all new car you throw away the old design, you start from scratch and you build it all up with new and improved parts.

New engines are moot point as they are revised in different cycles to the cars themselves as they're easier and cheaper to change in shorter cycles to meet legislation and economy improvements than changing the whole car. Certainly VW never gave the Edition 30 the status of "all new Golf" yet that had a new interior, new engine, new bumpers etc.  

Mid life cycle face lifts and running gear improvement shave been around as long as the car insustry has existed. Sometime the makers denote them as a new MK and other times they don't. THe fact remains the MK6 is just an interim improvement to an already existing car before the launch of the all new MK7. Ford did it with the modeo, the fiesta (which went through 2 facelifts!). Rover did it with the metro (body shape changed in the early 90's and got K instead of A series engines and a new interior but the shell was still the same as was most of the runing gear). BMC did it with the mini for 45 years but the last 2001 minis were in effect little different to those built in 69 and yet the MK number had gone from I to VII. The first all new mini was the one sold by BMW.

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #99 on: 07 October 2009, 12:54 »
Epic.

If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?

I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.

No one is saying they are identical.  The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5.  But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.

Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up.  In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime.  Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....).  Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
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