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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #30 on: 13 October 2009, 12:10 »
Hmm,

I don't know now. I was all up for singing the praises of the Goodyear, but when I went to Spa this weekend and the weather turned wet, nearly everyone put Michelin PS2's on. Porsches, BMW's, allsorts. Mind you having said that I passed most of them with Toyo R888's  :grin:

Exactly - 'serious' drivers know what works best. :afro:  They tend to ignore all the 'marketing hype', along with some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills.  :smug:

So was there anyone who ran on F1 Asymms?  :undecided:
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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #31 on: 13 October 2009, 12:12 »
good to hear that about PS2's ill be getting some soon.

You seriously wont regret going for PS2s. :afro:
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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #32 on: 13 October 2009, 12:56 »
Hmm,

I don't know now. I was all up for singing the praises of the Goodyear, but when I went to Spa this weekend and the weather turned wet, nearly everyone put Michelin PS2's on. Porsches, BMW's, allsorts. Mind you having said that I passed most of them with Toyo R888's  :grin:

Exactly - 'serious' drivers know what works best. :afro:  They tend to ignore all the 'marketing hype', along with some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills.  :smug:

So was there anyone who ran on F1 Asymms?  :undecided:

All I know is that I do 18-20k a year driving in all conditions on all roads, and found for my beamer that the F1s (GSD3s) were outstanding, and would not recommend anything else having also had Conti's and Dunlop Sport 8080s (factory fitted and recommended). The forum I am still a member on, also recommends the GSD3 for their cars, by all sorts of people.

I cannot comment on the PS2, never run them - and would actually try them if they were the same price as the GSD3, as they are supposed to be very good. But as such I have just ordered 4 GSD3s for the GTI at £87 a corner, and I will report back over time to let you know they get on (unbiased).

The only way is to try them out and hear from the horses mouth, not what Porsche or BMW or whatever do because they probably have a nice deal in place with certain manufacturers. But also some people like different kinds of handling from their car which will affect their tyre choice.

As you say... ETTO :)

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #33 on: 13 October 2009, 15:15 »
The only way is to try them out and hear from the horses mouth, not what Porsche or BMW or whatever do because they probably have a nice deal in place with certain manufacturers.

BMW, AMG-Merc, and Audi, and the rest may do 'deals' - but Porsche categorially do not.  And even on Audis AMGs and Beemers, their 'range' of OEM tyres are generally very high spec, high quality, high performance tyres - from leading brands.  Which is why Michelin PS2, Continental CSC3, Bridgestone RE050A, Pirelli P-Zero Rosso, and even Dunlop SportMaxx GT (a million times better than the standard SportMaxx) - are the only ones available.  Now, Goodyear own Dunlop, and Goodyear also claim to be a 'higher' brand than Dunlop - and being as Dunlop are already on the 'factory approved' lists, why arn't Goodyear?  Afterall, Goodyear invariably are ALWAYS cheaper than Michelin and Continental, and lower-spec Goodyear tyres are also factory fitted on lesser models.

Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous. :sick:  If an individual wishes to 'put up' with those flaws, then fine - but when peeps ask for advice, I think it is vital that the WHOLE TRUTH is aired, especially when tyres have a potentially dangerous flaw, which is then acknowledged by Goodyear, but who then do fcuk all about resolving the issues.  Michelin certainly don't behave like that - and their 'customer service' is a million times better than either Goodyear or Dunlop - and I can report that from a very personal experience!

Going back to Porsche, they are ONLY interested in what makes their cars handle the best - and if that other German tyre company Fulda could make a tyre to work on a Porsche, or indeed any other company, including the likes of Toyo or Yokohama, then they too would be a factory supplied option, alongside the Mich PS2 and the Conti SportContact 3s.  But Porsche arn't interested at all in 'dumbing down' their cars with inferior components to save a few Euros here and there. :smug:


But also some people like different kinds of handling from their car which will affect their tyre choice.

Agreed.  But just because some 'rice burner drifter' likes a tyre which rapibly brakes away - that categorically does NOT mean they are better than a tyre which provides more overall grip.

And I also accept that certain tyres perform well on certain types of cars - BL/Rover always seem to work far better on Dunlops than Michelins, and French cars of the 1970s always seemed to work best on Kleber, and Fiats seemed to like Pirelli Cinturatos - but then that was soley down to 'buying from local suppliers', and then setting up their cars to suit the tyres.
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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #34 on: 13 October 2009, 18:24 »
Hmmm just when I think Im going for the Assyms, TT shows up and bigs up the PS2's again. I think this time I am going to go for the PS2's as I have had the goodyears...


So soon enough I will have my own answer :nerd:

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #35 on: 14 October 2009, 09:39 »
Asymmetric's are a good tyre, but on this forum they are overrated, I bought 2 for the front on my car 6 months ago done 6000 on them and there is not much left on erm, maybe another 1000 miles. I bought them becuse of all the hype on this forum , yes they are good , sorry but I will be going for PS2's next !! enjoy Steve30 :laugh:

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #36 on: 14 October 2009, 09:41 »
Your Assyms laster 7k miles ! :shocked:

Do you drive around l like Sebastien Loeb everywhere?

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #37 on: 14 October 2009, 09:53 »
Just got 4 new F1 GSD3s fitted to the GTI this morning - £338.... pretty good price

First impressions - its like having an old friend back... I've covered over 120k on these tyres and I am glad that they feel the same on the GTI. Then again at the moment I am comparing then to very worn Sport Maxx, which quite frankly made my GTI feel like it was skating on ice!


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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #38 on: 14 October 2009, 13:01 »
Hmmm just when I think Im going for the Assyms, TT shows up and bigs up the PS2's again. I think this time I am going to go for the PS2's as I have had the goodyears...

OK, I may be 'bigging up' the PS2 - but that is simply because they ARE better than the F1 - and I have repeatedly backed this up with all the examples of OEM fitments.

If peeps want to challenge my 'bigging up' of PS2s - then perhaps they can do so by providing concrete examples of OEM fitments of ANY Goodyear F1 tyre - afterall, as I have repeatedly stated, other tyres in Goodyears ranges are OEM fitted - but NOT the F1 - WHY?  :rolleyes:


So soon enough I will have my own answer :nerd:

And I strongly doubt you will be disapointed with PS2s - but, as usual, ETTO and all that.  :smiley:
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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #39 on: 14 October 2009, 13:04 »
Asymmetric's are a good tyre, but on this forum they are overrated, I bought 2 for the front on my car 6 months ago done 6000 on them and there is not much left on erm, maybe another 1000 miles. I bought them becuse of all the hype on this forum , yes they are good , sorry but I will be going for PS2's next !! enjoy Steve30 :laugh:

Exactly - the F1 Asymms are 'good' - but they categorically are not 'great'.

There is far too much BS and hype on this (and other) forums - and even when peeps complain of actual probs with the Goodyears, they still big em up!  :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes:

Sadly, some peeps just seem to be 'anti-Michelin'!  :rolleyes:
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