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Offline smartypants

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #40 on: 14 October 2009, 16:45 »
And I strongly doubt you will be disapointed with PS2s - but, as usual, ETTO and all that.  :smiley:

And I strongly agree that I wouldnt! It was purely financial reasons to not go with the PS2s this time round for me... next time I will put the PS2s on, will be a good test :)

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #41 on: 14 October 2009, 19:49 »
I have some comments to make on this topic. Tire (or tyre) choice is so often subjective and not born out by timed performance testing. For example although driver A might not be able to beat driver B, driver A might still put his best lap time in on tyres which driver B found to be inferior. Hope that made sense. Put another way, if you put your car backwards into a hedge because you couldn't feel the Michelins on your car losing grip, it doesn't matter to you whether they are superior or not to a Dunlop on which you could feel the grip reducing.

I find the F1 to be a great tire but I've also driven cars with it where I didn't like it - a Lotus Exige comes to mind. T_T might think Michelin's PS2 is superior, but others might not. Personally I've only found the PS2 to suit heavier cars. That doesn't mean you will, however - you have to drive them back-to-back and see what suits the combination of you and your car. There is no other way.

Goodyear F1s are NOT factory fitted by anyone - yet the PS2 is factory fitted by a shed load of manufactures, including Porsche, BMW, Audi, AMG-Mercedes, Renault, Ford, Bugatti . . . .

When the likes of Porsche deem that F1s are good enough, then they WILL offer them as factory fitment - but they don't - wonder why - simply because they are NOT as good as the PS2.  :rolleyes:

I have qualms with both these statements. Goodyear happen to have worked closely with many manufacturers including some US car manufacturers on high performance cars, notably Chevrolet and the Corvette.

Porsche are less likely to go to the trouble of dealing with a manufacturer based outside of Europe - for cost/communication/development/logistic reasons (Bridgestone being an obvious exception - but there is commercial history between the two companies). The Porsche approved tyres are also different to standard versions - as I'm sure everyone is aware - and so just saying 'Porsche use them so they must be good' is a moot point.


BMW, AMG-Merc, and Audi, and the rest may do 'deals' - but Porsche categorially do not.

I assure you - they do.

But Porsche arn't interested at all in 'dumbing down' their cars with inferior components to save a few Euros here and there. :smug:

Except the Cayenne of course, which is a VW touareg in drag. And many other Porsches have often contained many parts in common with lowly Volkswagen group cars.

Goodyear own Dunlop, and Goodyear also claim to be a 'higher' brand than Dunlop - and being as Dunlop are already on the 'factory approved' lists, why arn't Goodyear?

Goodyear are on the factory approved lists of many of the worlds largest car manufacturers. Dunlop was a small, failing British company and is now effectively just a brand name used by top-three manufacturer Goodyear - which incidentally means they are on the 'factory approved' lists you mention above.

Afterall, Goodyear invariably are ALWAYS cheaper than Michelin and Continental

Selling price is not necessarily an indication of quality or suitability for purpose.

Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous.

You don't want to listen to "some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills", surely? I doubt an American company who have been on the wrong side of litigation before would want to put a tyre on the market which had serious/dangerous flaws. For my own reference, what are these supposed flaws?

and if that other German tyre company Fulda could make a tyre to work on a Porsche

Fulda are Goodyear's 'affordable tyre' brand in Europe, so they're playing to a different market segment.

With your opinions on supposedly inferior Mobil and Goodyear products, am I detecting an anti-American vibe here?

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #42 on: 14 October 2009, 20:45 »
IIRC, my Audi S4 had PS2 on it. And yeh, they were ok, BUT very expensive for what they are (imho)

The F1, I found to be a fantastic tyre - put a set on the Audi, and my 2 modded Scoobs before. Currently got  F1s on Wifey's gti6 (306)

For the money, I think that they perform quite well.

Mind you, I also like the Toyo Proxies..........

just my 2p though  :wink:


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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #43 on: 15 October 2009, 09:26 »
Anti American??? T_T??? NO!!!  :shocked: :laugh:


tbf they do chat alot of ball-ox :laugh:

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #44 on: 15 October 2009, 11:54 »
Look here...
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zeitung-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

Hankook Ventus V12 Evos beat both PS2 and F1 tyres.  At £70 each.

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #45 on: 15 October 2009, 13:05 »
I dont beleve that for one minute??? Some of those tyre's on there would not be any good on the Edition30?? Its all about what suites  the car!! PS2's for me next, done the Goodyear's not a bad tyre but they dont last long in my eyes?? Steve30

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #46 on: 15 October 2009, 13:09 »
Here it is...

In Germany annual tyre tests are the norm. Auto Zeitung is Germanys oldest and most respected trade magazine and they have just published their 2009 tyre test. Testing 16 of the latest tyres, they use the common 225/45 R 17 Y size on a VW Golf FSI with 170 hp.

During the tests, they inspect the following characteristics with both subjective (feel) and actual measured data:

Aquaplaning: The speed at which the car starts to aquaplane.
Braking: 100km/h to standstill, measuring time and stopping distance.
Handling: A timed lap.
Subjective Handling: Assessing the feel and progressiveness of the tyre on track.
Slalom: The average speed between cones 18 metres apart.

The results are surprising. Including both the measured data, and the subjective scores the final results looks like this:

1. Pirelli P Zero
2. Continental Sport Contact 3
3. Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT
4. Hankook Ventus V12 Evo
5. Bridgestone Potenza RE 050 A
6. Michelin Pilot Sport 2
7. Uniroyal Rainsport 2
8. Nokian ZG2
9. Goodyear Eagle F1 A
10. Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
11. BF Goodrich G-Force Profiler
12. Firestone firehawk S790
13. Fulda Carat Excelero
14. Kumho Ecsta
15. Bravuris Barum
16. Toyo T1R


The results are interesting for a number of reasons. If you look at the most recent EVO tyre test, tyres we would expect to score well have been beaten by rather unexpected contenders. The Goodyear Eagle F1A, winner of the EVO test, scored well in raw data but was accused of being difficult to drive on the limit. This criticism was also aimed at the EVO runner up, the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta. Pirelli must have really improved the P Zero as it usually scores in the bottom third of group tests but this time lead the pack on both measured data and subjective handling while Toyo, a tuners favourite, ended up in a surprising final place.

What can we conclude from this? Clearly the P Zero has had a significant update, and Pirelli are once again a serious contender in the replacement market. The Hankook Ventus V12 is also placed surprisingly strong, and over the next 12 months could easily steal Toyo's crown as the budget performance tyre to be on. As for the rest of the results? If you drive a Golf, or another FWD car built on the VAG platform then you can make a pretty accurate tyre choice but if you drive a different type of car, such as a RWD vehicle then, as they say, "your mileage may vary"...


There's a tyre for TT at third place; Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT
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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #47 on: 15 October 2009, 15:00 »
Well after having a set of P Zeros on my Scoob, and the resulting handling that was akin to a slippery wet eel on a sheet of plastic, I wouldn't fit them to rollerskate stop, let alone a car.

SOrry, but I'll take that result with a pinch of salt tbh...


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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #48 on: 15 October 2009, 15:42 »
Still think its Bull---- that testing of tyres its what suiets the car??

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Re: Michelin PS2 vs. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric?
« Reply #49 on: 15 October 2009, 15:58 »
Well after having a set of P Zeros on my Scoob, and the resulting handling that was akin to a slippery wet eel on a sheet of plastic, I wouldn't fit them to rollerskate stop, let alone a car.

SOrry, but I'll take that result with a pinch of salt tbh...

Likewise with the Sport Maxx, on EVERY car I've had.... in the wet they are positively lethal

Maybe we have a different kind of water to Germany? :D

What about the F1 GSD3s?